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Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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See this reply by the GP. I have to agree with him. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24324462

Its a dumb reason applied to an adult.

> applied to an adult.

I agree. But this was for his kids when they were kids living at his house. If he want's to maintain the no consoles rule at his house later on, meh whatever. That's his business.

Edit: Also, what makes it reasonable to enforce this while his kids were young was that he actively encouraged learning about PC's, not just consumption through a different "Magic Box".

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

> It's a fucking tool, you don't see tradesmen getting all pissy about people buying DeWalt power drills.

But farmers are getting pissy about tractor DRM. If you can't control your tools, they will control you. I'm sure everyone on HN could list plenty of examples.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Off-Topic: There's two misplaced or missing words in just the first paragraph of that article - the sort of thing that happens when you're going back and rephrasing things. I was getting ready to enjoy a good story, but was immediately punished for not just skimming instead. These mistakes happen to be really easy to catch for everyone but the author himself and they will trip up specifically those readers who are tr…

I noticed the exact same thing immediately. Turned me off a bit to the article, and the mistakes appeared to continue throughout.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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> Unsurprisingly, the first mantra my dad imposed on everyone was (in the voice of Faye Dunaway) No. Apple. Products. Ever! As someone who has to maintain my extended family's fleet of outdated apple products. I can only daydream.

just be glad it's not windows XP

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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post #45

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Apparently the GP is part of the "PC Master Race" and will not tolerate "console peasants" in the house. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Master_Race

I don't know all about this PC Master Race stuff. Basically, I wanted my kids to have to maintain, build a system to play games. When my kids were young Minecraft JUST came out. They both learned A LOT about modding early. If they were stuck on consoles they probably would have missed out on all that.

And?

"Modding" is like, whatever.

I grew up programming PCs in the 80s and 90s but when I look back on it, I didn't really tinker much inside the boxes even though I have mistakenly thought that I did.

Dad installed a Sound Blaster Pro I purchased in like 5th grade after I went to bed so that I wouldn't screw up his work PC.

Past that, I don't think I even upgraded RAM or a hard drive until I was in my 20s, mostly because they were just too expensive.

Had an NES, though. I turned out fine.

But I would have hated my dad if he was like, "no NES for you!" while shoving a screwdriver at me.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

#96

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Why no consoles?

Apparently the GP is part of the "PC Master Race" and will not tolerate "console peasants" in the house. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Master_Race

Funny how this is downvoted, since when translated into "reddit-speak" GP's "clarification" gives exactly that.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Tech banned in my house :D - Windows and telemetry-based apps. I do have a VM for a work VPN however. - Google, except the school district forced an exception. - Youtube, unless supervised on a shared anonymous tablet. - Double-click and other advertising sites. - Third-party cookies, and most third-party javascript. - No giving out information to any site, make it up if required. - Alexa etc, wife uses Siri. As you…

Maybe the internet is a different place now but if these restrictions were placed on me as a kid I never would have grown up to be who I am today.

There is a chance that OP doesn't want his kids to end up like you though.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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post #97

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Maybe the internet is a different place now but if these restrictions were placed on me as a kid I never would have grown up to be who I am today.

There is a chance that OP doesn't want his kids to end up like you though.

Fair enough, obviously OP has the right to parent as he pleases. I think that my tinkering intuition has led me to many of my professional successes, and this talent was garnered by experimentation with computers as a child.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Tech banned in my house:

- amazon alexa anything

- any smart speaker that uses persistent voice recognition (ok google etc)

- things like thermostats, security systems/cameras (ring doorbells, etc) that require a functioning WAN connection and cloud based services. anything you would find here: https://twitter.com/internetofshit?lang=en

- smart lightbulbs and other "internet of things" devices that require a connection to a cloud based service, anything of this category that I can't completely admin and control on my LAN.

- internet of things consumer devices that require the use of a manufacturer-proprietary android or ios app to set up and configure on the home wifi.

- consumer electronics devices that for some unknown reason require a proprietary shaped connector/charging cable. if it doesn't charge from microusb or usb-c I'm very unlikely to buy it. in an era when even my road bicycle front and rear lights charge from standard microusb this should be obvious.

- things that are obviously designed to be throwaway with no way to ever economically replace the battery. such as apple airpods. anything that's given a 1/10 or 2/10 repairability score by ifixit, such as the microsoft surface notebook/tablet that is entirely glued together. https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/AirPods+2+Teardown/121471

- cloud managed wifi APs and routers

- wifi mesh extenders and other things that create a CSMA half duplex RF hell, for network reliability and performance reasons. If I need an additional AP somewhere I can give it a 1000BaseT 802.3af/at wired connection back to the home core switch.

- Any ISP-provided all-in-one cablemodem/router/wifi device that I can't fully control. I have a DOCSIS3 modem that is a dumb layer 2 bridge with no routing or wifi functions, and my own router that I control.

- any of the microsoft cloud-managed login accounts for windows 10 PCs

- any consumer electronics/appliance device that has embedded android in it unlikely to receive operating system/updates after 2 or 3 years. For example fridges with a giant android tablet built into their door. Not going to spend $2000 on a fridge that might have a 10-15 year service lifespan but the operating system on the tablet will be woefully out of date and risky to put on the Internet after 5 years. This also means no "internet of things" washing machines or similar. Just a couple of weeks ago I saw fridges for sale with Android 7 on them.

- apple icloud

- zoom, due to its many prior egregious security vulnerabilities and the location of 80%+ of its developers

- anything else that is legally obligated to be backdoored by the ministry of state security (wechat, alipay, tiktok, etc)

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

#100
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a chance that OP doesn't want his kids to end up like you though.

Fair enough, obviously OP has the right to parent as he pleases. I think that my tinkering intuition has led me to many of my professional successes, and this talent was garnered by experimentation with computers as a child.

Eh I sometimes wish parents weren't basically given ownership rights over their kids.
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