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Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

I've been sick to death of it since the days of Nintendo vs Sega, but I'm starting to come to terms with these being relatively benign outlets for tribalism. I'd much rather people burn off that kind of tribal or religious energy via PS vs Xbox and Red Sox vs Yankees than Left vs Right, which is an unfolding disaster. “This is a war universe. War all the time. That is its nature. There may be other universes based on…

Maybe it's the opposite, whatever was into politics, funneled into consumer brands?

Something something, identity, wanting to belong and signaling your position.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

I'm not entirely sure. Your argument would be completely fine and correct had they actually been only tools or only technologies. As a company, they have policies - and policies can be based on ideals - and people can like or dislike those. Personally, for me, I am mainly an average Windows and Android user because it suits my needs the best - but what gave me my 'tribalism' was the exact same reason that you pointed out - that's probably the only tribe today where majority of the people don't suffer from elitism. While I was growing up, I saw that from both Apple users and Linux users (from the other end, but 'bitter' elitism). Me, an average computer user didn't like that behavior then, don't like it now. In fact, I hate any kind of elitism like a religion - so naturally that translates into my product choices - I never wanted myself to become them.

P.S. - I still gave Linux a try a lot of times (and have to use it professionally everyday anyway), but sorry, all the ones that we use at our workplace still look like unfinished grad projects, not a professional OS to me - I have tens of reasons for believing that, but it would initiate the same wars that we're talking against here).

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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My father didnt want to have cable tv. On antenna we only got ORF (austrian television) and local one (which sucked). I needed almost 10 years to actually hear how Captain Kirk in Raumschiff Enterprise really sounds (everything is synchronized to german) like. Side effect: I also fluently speak german. And banning social networks is positive for your kids. Also ads.

> Side effect: I also fluently speak german. May have been useful living in Austria! > everything is synchronized to german I suspect that's not the word you were looking for. PS: I guess that explains it: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronisation_(Film)

He he, true, but we also use that word in native language. Thank you for remark :D

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

I agree that much of this is tribalism that exists in other parts of our culture (Ford vs Chevy, etc). However, in the 1990s, at least on the Apple side, it felt like we were fighting to hold on to resources that would go for supporting our platform. Developers, understandably so, were leaving the Mac. The web as well as many other historical changes that readers of this website are familiar with changed the conversation. Though I do not think platform fanaticism is justified or helpful, does this behavior stem from a legitimate issue, even if now it is a historic footnote?

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Why no consoles?

Apparently the GP is part of the "PC Master Race" and will not tolerate "console peasants" in the house. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Master_Race

I don't know all about this PC Master Race stuff. Basically, I wanted my kids to have to maintain, build a system to play games.

When my kids were young Minecraft JUST came out. They both learned A LOT about modding early. If they were stuck on consoles they probably would have missed out on all that.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

> I can't stand Windows and it hurts me to see people using it There's an entire industry (pc gaming) that is still a pretty piss poor experience on other platforms. This has been true for 25 years and isn't showing any signs of changing. And the current direction Apple is taking is going to ensure the iPhone with all the impressive hardware is going will only be utilized to play candycrush and scroll through instagr…

So I agree iOS walled garden is an issue, but the 30% thing isn't the sole problem there, and really all digital game platforms with the exception of the Epic Games Store uses that same rate. The big difference on PC for developers (besides the literal technical differences between Windows and MacOS) is that you can choose to not use a store at all (self host on your own website), or to be on a bunch of different stores at once.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

Actually, many tradespeople are pretty elitist about their power tools. There are a lot of brands that have gone downhill or been amalgamated so there are those that hold out for older era models that were allegedly better built (ala Thinkpads). I’d be a real power tool guy if I could afford Hilti, but I get some cred for being a Makita guy. While tribalism does have its bad points, am not sure modern capitalism/cons…

I'm in team Bosch.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

My takeaway from the article is that the author's father just didn't deal with bullshit from companies.

I can tell you for sure I'll never use any of the bells. I'll go without a phone before I use any of them. Why? Because I had a weird charge show up on my bill 1 day. I called them, they told me it was a mistake and took it off. It showed up on the next bill. I called them, they told me it was a mistake and took it off.

This went on for a while until I eventually moved to another house. Down the road I find out that that mysterious charge somehow came back and then got sent to collections. This happened 25+ years ago and time hasn't tempered my feelings on the matter at all.

Same thing with my mobile. I went through AT&T & Sprint, leaving both of them early over some bullshit, and it will be a cold day in hell before I ever give them my money again. I eventually landed on Verizon and haven't had any issues for the roughly 10 years that I've been using them.

I still remember the day I got a huge bill from Sprint due to running over my minutes. I call them up and I shit you not the person on the phone told me they could give me the details of everything on that bill except for the 2 days in the middle of the month that I supposedly used up all my minutes. They could tell me who I called and for how long the day before those 2 days, and the day after, but not those 2 days. Oh, and also, if I pay right now while I'm on the phone they'll give me a discount on those minutes! I cancelled my account right then and there.

It's not unreasonable to expect a company to be able to tell you what they're charging you for.

Or Cox. I hate them with the passion of a thousand burning suns. If there were a viable alternative I'd be gone in a second. Just this Friday my internet goes out so I call them up. Do you know what the man on the phone led with? That my equipment is old. He started to blame that on the outage. The best part? It's a docsys 3 modem that's not even 5 years old. I told him in no uncertain terms that the reason it's "old" is because it works and doesn't need to be replaced. I had to convince this jackass that the problem wasn't on my end. Then he started trying to lecture me on how it must be my internal equipment. Only it wasn't my internal equipment because at some point it just miraculously started working again.

I have NO tolerance for bullshit from companies. I don't setup autopay for anything, I sit down every month and manually pay bills. Why? Because I've had companies believe I owed them money I didn't believe I owed and had them just straight up pull it from my account.

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My point here is that the feeling I got from the article is that this isn't about simple fanboyism, but about having high expectations of companies.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

It makes much more sense to me when I view it as a coordination problem[1] with sunk costs. Let's not forget there are real costs associated with making a choice. If switching power drill brands means that your old batteries are not compatible, then sure people will resist switching brands. It represents a real cost.

The same story plays out in tech especially when digital goods are purposely made non-compatible. The cost of switching brands includes not being able to access games, movies, music, or having to repurchase for the new platform. Those most heavily invested stand to lose the most.

[1] https://www.gwern.net/Holy-wars

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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> you don't see tradesmen getting all pissy about people buying DeWalt power drills. Tribalism is everywhere. Dodge vs Chevy vs Ford is one that certain tradesmen might be inclined to take part in. Certainly even tool brands like DeWalt vs Makita. I don't see a problem with it. This is like complaining that people have opinions and that they might argue about them. It's 100% human nature. Arguing against it is like a…

IMO your identity is how people think of you. You might think of yourself as an credible person, but if other people don't think so then what's your identity? You might think of yourself as a safe person, but if other people don't feel that way, then what's your identity? In this perspective, identity is about relating to other people, whether on matters of Chevy, Apple, or skin color.

This strikes me as the belief of a person who doesn't have much of their own self-identity.

I certainly don't need others to tell me whether or not I'm a credible person.

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