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Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Hate speech against women in India is an equal if not a bigger issue when you consider the numbers.

Independent citation needed.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/woman-reports-rape-15...

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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'Islam' is not a monolithic block, and we shouldn't represent it as such. Most hate speech against Muslims or varieties of Islam comes from Islamist fundamentalists and radicals themselves, not anyone with ties to any "ruling party" in India or in the Western world.

Talking about Islamophobic hate content in the context of India, the current ruling party BJP which known for being a Hindu Nationalistic party, along with it's sister organizations "Sangh Parivar", have a history of spreading islamophobia.

Reporting you for astroturfing. Muslim mobs have burnt capital of India and that will not be tolerated.

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Independent citation needed.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/woman-reports-rape-15...

It talks about the number of rapes reported daily in India and those numbers are utterly, distressingly and shamefully high. However, I don't see where it indicates hate speech against women in India is an equal if not a bigger issue.

I fail to see anything in that article about hate speech against women, violence against women sure, where does it talk about hate speech and how relevant is that to this HN post. Are you sure you did not get carried away by your personal agenda.

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Ideally they should have some morality to put basic human rights and safety above profits. Even from long term perspective if they continue to ignore hate speech against Islam on their platform I am sure they would lose a lot of users.

Is hate speach against Islam more important than any other hate speach?

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

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Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Facebook's actions in India are absolutely despicable. The head of policy at Facebook in India is a radicalized member of the Indian rightwing and recently put up a post stating that Muslims are a "degenerate community" and was forced to apologise just a couple of days ago because of pressure on FB from their employees. She gave a half hearted apology. Facebook should have immediately suspended her or sacked her: htt…

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Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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> Removing posts by elected officials is running really close to foreign interference in domestic affairs. No, it's not. If anything, it's opting out of interfering in domestic affairs. Facebook is not an official channel. The elected official has many other platforms, including the country's media, that will publish their message. They can create a blog if they want. If Facebook is the only viable channel for reachi…

> stifling Facebook's right to decide what they want to allow on their platform. Is indian govt really proposing this though? who is stifling their right?

The comment I was responding to seemed to be proposing it.

I don't know about India, but in the US, there's been a major debate about whether govt can force platforms to retain posts and several attempted lawsuits over it.

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Here's a report by Equality Labs about Facebook India and Hate speech. https://www.equalitylabs.org/facebookindiareport

That's extremely disturbing how can they justify banning tik tok for inciting ethnic violence yet give facebook a free pass?

It's a geopolitical issue, probably not one of hate speech.

India is not concerned about US Government spying on them, so much.

All large Chinese companies have strong ties to the CCP (they have internal staffers who are party members, essentially acting as internal party oversight). Ergo, TT is definitely an organ of the state. It's just a matter of 'how much' in practicality.

So TT gets the ban.

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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It is a strategically risky move for Facebook to take an active role in shaping India's political landscape. I imagine that the Indian population might object to American companies deciding what is and isn't appropriate to discuss.

Facebook is no stranger to picking political winners and losers. In 2016, it seems to have bet the farm on a Trump victory (By being, and then continuing to be incredibly lax on enforcing its rules against his account.)

It knows which side its bread is buttered, and is not going to rock the boat against a sitting president.

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Facebook's actions in India are absolutely despicable. The head of policy at Facebook in India is a radicalized member of the Indian rightwing and recently put up a post stating that Muslims are a "degenerate community" and was forced to apologise just a couple of days ago because of pressure on FB from their employees. She gave a half hearted apology. Facebook should have immediately suspended her or sacked her: htt…

Imagine a White person, who is the head of the organization in a country sharing a post that African Americans are a "degenerate community". In any western country, the person would not only be promptly sacked, but would also become untouchable in mainstream organizations. The Indian politics and judiciary have been compromised by right wing Hindu nationalists and it is impossible to expect anything from them. Howeve…

America is not in a cold war nuclear standoff with an large African nation with whom it shares a border, whereupon millions of it's own citizens may believe that by virtue of their culture then land they live upon should be in said 'African nation' instead of America.

Point being, even though it's terrible ... it's really, really different.

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