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Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Is hate speach against Islam more important than any other hate speach?

Nobody made that claim. The article covers Facebook's repeated failure to promptly remove hate speech against Muslims in India, and that's why this topic is being discussed.

Hate speech against women in India is an equal if not a bigger issue when you consider the numbers.

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody made that claim. The article covers Facebook's repeated failure to promptly remove hate speech against Muslims in India, and that's why this topic is being discussed.

Hate speech against women in India is an equal if not a bigger issue when you consider the numbers.

Hate speech against women in India may also be an issue, but that's not what the article is about. The article focuses on hate speech on Facebook against Muslims in India.

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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This can only be solved when more and more people understand the threats not just for the present, but for the future. What Facebook and WhatsApp have enabled are convenient and useful for those in power. So while there may probably be some words here and there, we can’t expect a lot of change on the ground. Disappointingly, the Indian Supreme Court is also lethargic and chooses to look at more trivial matters than g…

> What Facebook and WhatsApp have enabled are convenient and useful for those in power. I'm sure they are, but are they more useful than what was before? Facebook & Co have some random element, it's not a one-way-communication device like classic media (TV, radio, newspapers) are/were. The government has much less control over Facebook. You can't just go in and take it over like you could with a radio station, you ca…

> I'm sure they are, but are they more useful than what was before? [..] TV, radio, newspapers

False dichotomy. Lets not skip over irc, xmpp, and all sorts of free, variously encrypted communication platforms that Facebook muscled out.

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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post #43

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> What Facebook and WhatsApp have enabled are convenient and useful for those in power. I'm sure they are, but are they more useful than what was before? Facebook & Co have some random element, it's not a one-way-communication device like classic media (TV, radio, newspapers) are/were. The government has much less control over Facebook. You can't just go in and take it over like you could with a radio station, you ca…

> I'm sure they are, but are they more useful than what was before? [..] TV, radio, newspapers False dichotomy. Lets not skip over irc, xmpp, and all sorts of free, variously encrypted communication platforms that Facebook muscled out.

But those were for individual communication, I understood the parent comment to mean mass media ("useful for those in power"). I don't think the powerful feature of Facebook is the messenger, it's the ability to rapidly disperse information through sharing. IRC & similar communication tools weren't made for that.

WhatsApp is a hybrid, I suppose, but even there I think the share/forward feature is what drives the political usefulness, which is also why they're limiting that for some media, so you can't spread messages as easily (if it has been forwarded five times, you can only forward it individually, not to multiple contacts/chats, from what I understand).

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Here's a report by Equality Labs about Facebook India and Hate speech. https://www.equalitylabs.org/facebookindiareport

That's extremely disturbing how can they justify banning tik tok for inciting ethnic violence yet give facebook a free pass?

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Here's a report by Equality Labs about Facebook India and Hate speech. https://www.equalitylabs.org/facebookindiareport

That's extremely disturbing how can they justify banning tik tok for inciting ethnic violence yet give facebook a free pass?

Possibly because FB and WA have been toeing the party line (as it has been toeing the Trump line in the US). TikTok might have been less than sycophantic towards the ruling party here in India.

It helps that one can use it to play to their gallery by appearing to stick it to China. There had been recent incursions by the Chinese well inside Indian borders. The ruling party has been trying to cover that up and needed some token resistance to showcase.

Given the mutually cuddly relations between PM and Zuckerberg, the ban of TikTok is not really that surprising.

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Ideally they should have some morality to put basic human rights and safety above profits. Even from long term perspective if they continue to ignore hate speech against Islam on their platform I am sure they would lose a lot of users.

They won't. You don't know the kind of nationalism that exists in India. Just check out twitter.com/explore every night via an Indian IP. It's full of hate speech against Hindus and muslims. Some random guy/girl tweets some shit against a religion. All the media/bots/politicians jump on it and blame it on each other. Everybody is outraged by tiny things, they don't know to ignore things. Indian media thrives on these…

> The only good thing is that the situation are getting better, as the older gen goes away slowly.

I do want to believe you, but most of the time it seems I am clutching at straws. The Hindu right is doing a pretty good job of catching them young and indoctrinating. At the same time there is ton of money flowing in from Saudi Arabia to do the honours for the other side.

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Facebook's actions in India are absolutely despicable. The head of policy at Facebook in India is a radicalized member of the Indian rightwing and recently put up a post stating that Muslims are a "degenerate community" and was forced to apologise just a couple of days ago because of pressure on FB from their employees. She gave a half hearted apology. Facebook should have immediately suspended her or sacked her: htt…

Imagine a White person, who is the head of the organization in a country sharing a post that African Americans are a "degenerate community". In any western country, the person would not only be promptly sacked, but would also become untouchable in mainstream organizations.

The Indian politics and judiciary have been compromised by right wing Hindu nationalists and it is impossible to expect anything from them. However, I expected better from Facebook. In a western country Facebook wouldn't think twice about firing any employee who shared such a post.

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody made that claim. The article covers Facebook's repeated failure to promptly remove hate speech against Muslims in India, and that's why this topic is being discussed.

Hate speech against women in India is an equal if not a bigger issue when you consider the numbers.

Independent citation needed.

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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I don’t think people have realized that Zuckerberg’s intent is to be the Rupert Murdoch of the 21st century. He’s no ally of liberal society or democracy.

Investors don't mind, users don't seem to care. Can we pinpoint why it is 'bad'? People are making money, signs that the product brings 'value' to society. I am young, how much of the world has Murdoch influenced? Has it all been bad? Sounds like a player that made it. Do we change the game in this case?

Well all those arguments could be made about slave trade to. People made money, investors liked it. Surely it brought value to the society.
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