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Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

krageon wrote: post #225
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #210

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Been using jit.si for months with extended family (up to ~7 connections), not broken yet.

Then you are lucky. It breaks frequently (but randomly) and when it does, it's almost impossible to debug unless you have access to the broken machine (and that is unlikely given that you're probably at home and so are they).

Breaks how? I've used it on about 6 devices personally, roughly a couple of times a week and all our extended family have used it on one or two devices - Win10, iPad (I gather), Android, and Linux.

If it breaks a lot we must have been exceptionally lucky for none of us to have problems.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by franga2000 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #250
franga2000 wrote: post #243

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The high friction with Jitsi is browser permissions. You need to interact with both the webpage and the browser's chrome to set up and switch media devices, which can get confusing even for someone with deep knowledge of the browser APIs, let alone for someone who couldn't tell a UAC prompt from a MsgBox(). That's why Zoom uses all these dark patterns to get native code running as soon as possible and as privileged a…

Browser just says "give permission to use mic and camera" and you click yes. If you click no, then I think you're going to struggle to intuit how to proceed; but it's no harder than navigating UAC dialogs to install software, much easier IMO. None of the olds in my family had a problem. YMMV I guess.

Except that the permission popup is very difficult to spot and disappears if you touch anything other than it, after which it's pretty hard to find again. It also asks you to select an input device and if you pick wrong, you might have to track it down again to fix that.

On a fast and stable machine and Internet connection this is much less of an issue, but in my experience at least, that is not the norm.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by bllguo »

orestarod wrote: post #219
bllguo wrote: post #139

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I couldn't disagree more. Most users didn't even pay, for goodness' sake.

Was there a choice to pay??

ok that's my bad - i thought they had an paid enterprise plan. So actually _nobody_ paid. That makes me believe even more strongly that the founders do not owe users anything.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by Alupis »

JamesSwift wrote: post #233
RandomBacon wrote: post #228

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Last time I spoke with TeamViewer, they still wouldn't admit they were hacked. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11826431 (TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal accounts drained)

Yep, switched my parents off TeamViewer after that and have blacklisted it personally.

That hack would have required the persistent login features to be installed on the target computers.

For simple remote support, you shouldn't be doing that anyway.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by jamaicahest »

robomc wrote: post #59
arkadiyt wrote: post #30

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> they bury the no-install, run-in-browser link I wrote a browser extension that will transparently redirect all zoom links to user their web client: https://github.com/arkadiyt/zoom-redirector

love this extension. we recommend it for everyone at work as the zoom client is banned.

You recommend using the extension to circumvent your employer banning your use of Zoom, while at work?

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by garmaine »

jamaicahest wrote: post #255
robomc wrote: post #59

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love this extension. we recommend it for everyone at work as the zoom client is banned.

You recommend using the extension to circumvent your employer banning your use of Zoom, while at work?

He said they banned the zoom client, not the zoom service.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by NicoJuicy »

robflaherty wrote: post #201
NicoJuicy wrote: post #195

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> According to the ePrivacy Directive, they should not last longer than 12 months. ( Quick search about cookies)

The ePD text says nothing about a 12 month cookie expiration and also ePD != GDPR

> While GDPR only applies to the processing of personal data, ePrivacy regulates electronic communication even if it concerns non-personal data. Also, in the case of cookies, the ePrivacy generally takes precedence.

https://gdpr.eu/cookies/#:~:text=All%20persistent%20cookies%....

> persistent cookies have an expiration date written into their code, but their duration can vary. According to the ePrivacy Directive, they should not last longer than 12 months, but in practice, they could remain on your device much longer if you do not take action.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by krageon »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #251
krageon wrote: post #225

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Then you are lucky. It breaks frequently (but randomly) and when it does, it's almost impossible to debug unless you have access to the broken machine (and that is unlikely given that you're probably at home and so are they).

Breaks how? I've used it on about 6 devices personally, roughly a couple of times a week and all our extended family have used it on one or two devices - Win10, iPad (I gather), Android, and Linux. If it breaks a lot we must have been exceptionally lucky for none of us to have problems.

"It works on my machine" was generally the feedback I got from the server maintainers as well. It's true that only a few people had problems, but those people were the kind of people that needed to be listened to when they said "Jitsi doesn't work so we need something else". The problems in Jitsi were impenetrable for me and anyone else that looked into them, so saying no wasn't an option.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

franga2000 wrote: post #252
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #250

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Browser just says "give permission to use mic and camera" and you click yes. If you click no, then I think you're going to struggle to intuit how to proceed; but it's no harder than navigating UAC dialogs to install software, much easier IMO. None of the olds in my family had a problem. YMMV I guess.

Except that the permission popup is very difficult to spot and disappears if you touch anything other than it, after which it's pretty hard to find again. It also asks you to select an input device and if you pick wrong, you might have to track it down again to fix that. On a fast and stable machine and Internet connection this is much less of an issue, but in my experience at least, that is not the norm.

Cool, thanks for expanding on that.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by robflaherty »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #257
robflaherty wrote: post #201

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The ePD text says nothing about a 12 month cookie expiration and also ePD != GDPR

> While GDPR only applies to the processing of personal data, ePrivacy regulates electronic communication even if it concerns non-personal data. Also, in the case of cookies, the ePrivacy generally takes precedence. https://gdpr.eu/cookies/#:~:text=All%20persistent%20cookies%... . > persistent cookies have an expiration date written into their code, but their duration can vary. According to the ePrivacy Directive, th…

> According to the ePrivacy Directive, they should not last longer than 12 months

The quote you keep referencing is false. The ePD says nothing about this.

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