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Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

#101

I think a lot of young(er) people like me who would otherwise get into ham radio are being sniped by SDR. You can buy a $30 piece of hardware and listen to planes talking to the airport, see weather imaging from satellites, intercept and read pager messages, listen to emergency and police radio, listen to all channels of consumer grade walkie talkies, and also just generally see the invisible world of wireless commun…

Any recommended resources to get started with SDR?

See this post I wrote in an earlier thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23468796

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

#102
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I'm curious as to why you would bother with HAM. It used to give you something that wasn't available otherwise, but that hasn't been the case for a very long time. There are plenty of ways to communicate with whoever you want, however you want, whenever you want and completely encrypted too! I see a lot of anecdotes of special distaster cases when HAM was the magical solution, but I don't remember normal communicatio…

Because ham radio is fun. It's a different hobby than the other myriad ways of communications which you describe. It's a radio service explicitly dedicated to the personal enjoyment of radio. It is not a personal communication service in the likes of FRS, GMRS, or even part 15 (wifi), microwave, or cellular networks. Think of ham radio as a sandbox for radio experimentation. There is a LOT to ham radio that you've ov…

So it's a hobby for people who are already working with unencrypted radio?

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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I feel like I am lucky, my club has a bunch of old dudes, but they are still learning and growing. A few years ago, I proposed adding a digital repeater, and it caused all kinds of trouble, but most of those folks left and now its great. We have awesome presentations on how to leverage raspberry pis, building portable battery packs, opensource VNAs, etc. But this is true, a lot of the hobby is very curmudgeon-y. Whic…

Ham radio (the human component) seems to suffer from the DnD 3.5 problem. A lot of people invested considerable effort into obtaining knowledge. Once obtained, they were free to coast. I take it there's no true continuing ed requirement to maintain a license? Now, protocol / technical change threatens to render all their existing knowledge outdated. And furthermore, require additional effort. Unsurprisingly, they're…

I think this is generally true of many academic and scientific fields as well!

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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What happens if I use SSL over the top of such a network? Is that allowed? If the answer is yes, it seems more like a loophole in the rules than anything.

Probably not. These rules were put in place to prevent spies from using HAM to exfil data during the Cold War. Really I think it should be something that should be revisited but I don't know how the 3 letter agency's would like a method of communication that they can't access.

I remember last time it was talked about on HN a bunch of people argued with me that there was no reason for encryption. When I started talking about mesh networks and control systems I got answers about how I could do that without encryption so what was I complaining about... The other thing I wanted is to be able to fly things outside of line of site (I mean why else would I use HAM to fly it?). Though it looks like you can apply to do that now.

As to the Russian Spies, tech has changed so much that anyone who would still argue this is fooling themselves.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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It's pretty much the only way for a person to legally build a radio and operate it. Everything you're talking about has to do with using communications equipment, not creating anything.

How many hams create their own gear, as opposed to buying components and hooking them up?

Over half the ones I'm friends with have built a radio, but I have no idea if my friends are representative of the community as a whole. Also, it depends on what you mean: I bet a very strong majority have built their own antennas, but building radios is certainly not as common.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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Ah, sorry! I misunderstood what you meant. You are correct. You're likely aware that you can get CB/MURS/FRS type radios without a license, but that wouldn't help that much. It would be nice to have a small slice of each ham band that would be available to non-licensed folks, but the hardware would be tricky, you'd have high physical capability (and cost) but it would have to be locked down to basically a 'slice sele…

MURS/FRS radios don't require a license in Canada, actually.

Sure but do people hang out on them to chat?

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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I hate to be the one to break it to you, but no one cares what GenX thinks. Apparently we didn't throw enough temper tantrums as children.

It's hard to agree with that line of reason. In my observation, GenX marketed themselves as the generation of apathy, and so eventually people became apathetic about them.

Boomers marketed GenX as the generation of slack and apathy, because we weren't impressed by their music. Richard Linklater was born in 1960...

We were too young to object at the time, and now we're stuck with it.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

#109
> "Getting young kids involved in ham radio [..] We must get children interested in the hobby."

This has often had a bit of a creepy vibe to me. Not a sexually creepy vibe, more like the Church targetting children to instill a set of beliefs about the world before they develop critical thinking skill. More like "adults won't want to do it our way, they'll try and introduce all these new digital modes; we need to get to them while they're young to "instill the correct values"" creepy.

Apart from that it has a "treating women as objects" vibe to it; imagine The Simpsons' Comicbook guy saying "we need more women in here", or Google saying "we want more women employed here", Or Peter Thiel and his "I want young people's blood"[1] ideas. Instead of wanting people with radio skills or technical skills or organizational skills, instead of valuing people's humanity and ability, only (non-sexually) fetishising one desirable attribute - age or gender or skin colour or malleability (youth said a different way, but this time meaning life inexperience) or excitability (youth said a different way, but this time meaning pre-cynical age).

And apart from those ways, it's predatory in the sense of Facebook building its software to focus on how to extract information from you, instead of focusing on what you want. "We want more (youth/women/people of colour), nevermind what they want". You want more children interested, why should the children give a damn? In the way that incels aren't entitled to a woman's attention just because they want a girlfriend, amateur radio isn't entitled to young people just because it's ageing out.

You want to expand amateur radio, no problem with that. Be interesting. Welcome whoever is interested. You want to spend more time with kids? Get out of the shed and volunteer at a school or play Fortnite, somewhere they are, and support what they are interested in. Don't be the "parent" saying they only have value to the extent that they mould themselves to the life shape you want them to have, they already have personalities, they are people not club-number-filler.

(I'm neither young, nor a ham, but I've seen it as a sentiment over the years in RadCom the magazine for the Radio Society of Great Britain, not just in this blogpost, and other places which I won't try to name and shame, but this isn't just a rant from one line in one blog post).

[1] allegedly.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

#110
You know that friend in college who turned out to be someone very different than the person you knew at the time?

He may be out there with a family and community of his own, living it up, but the person you liked is gone, and it’s not just okay but perfectly normal to mourn that loss.

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