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Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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post #87

https://bookshop.org/ is now an option to use instead of Amazon. It also raises money for local bookstores.

I'm conflicted over this business. It's ran by good people but I don't think it's the right solution for independents to compete with Amazon.

Just go straight to the local bookstore's website. A lot of the stores on bookshop also have an online store. Bookshop is a supplement and basically just plugged straight into Ingram (the distributor), so they're able to sell whatever your local indie's web store lacks.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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post #91

It's always weird to read a story where someone's rooting for something like old bookstores to remain in-business. The thing's that I don't mind the economic shift nor the format shift. I don't particularly care for bookstores or even old-fashion books; I think electronic media with active content is vastly superior. I look forward to further advances in technology, where the line between static media and computation…

Bookstores offer something electronic media doesn't -- discovery.

1. You know what you want, you search for it and order it. 2. You know vaguely what you want, you search, read reviews and order it. 3. You walk into a bookstore and wander around and eventually pick something out.

I just haven't seen #3 replicated in online fashion. Sure there are a million sites that will guide you to what you want, but you never quite find yourself in an odd section of the store, pulled in by something you would never have tried before.

More than anything else, I think this what people miss. They don't want bookstores to exist just because.

Depending on how old you are, there is a big difference between the big stores now, and the same stores just 20 years ago. They used to carry a much larger selection of actual books. My local Barnes & Noble has huge sections dedicated to toys and other things where books used to be. On the actual shelves that remain there are fewer books, and far fewer mass market paperbacks. The latter having been replaced by the more expensive trade paperbacks. The books they do have tend to be on the very popular end -- something which needs far less discovery. The library depth they used to have is gone.

This leads to two bad experiences that we didn't use to have in the big book stores. You want something simple that should exist -- Tom Sawyer for instance -- and you might only find the trade paperback for $13.95. But you need it for school and it's too late to order, so you get gouged. Other times I'm looking for a book that would have been in the back catalog but isn't any more. They will helpfully offer to order it for me -- at a higher price and longer wait than Amazon, other retailers, and frequently B&N online as well.

I get they want to carry less inventory. But the whole point of a bookstore (to me) is the wide inventory of books I don't know I already want. If it's a matter of just books I know I want, I don't have to go to the bookstore.

I keep going and I keep hoping, but those days appear to be gone. Good luck to Powell's if they have a better store than my local B&N.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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I'm going to take this opportunity to grind my personal axe: Amazon is extremely lazy about shipping books, throwing them into lightly-padded envelopes. Books shipped from Amazon usually arrive with at least minor cosmetic damage and sometimes much worse. For me this is reason enough to avoid buying books on Amazon.

I've had a run of damage to books, but from what looks like printing ... for what I suspect are actually fakes.

The binding is a bit off, or pages just didn't print right / are malformed, or strange sort of "weathering" like effects over time, and etc.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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post #58

Of the last 10 books I bought on Amazon 4 were faulty prints with miscut pages, misaligned pages, misprint pages. Two of them had misprint covers. All of them were sold as new by Amazon itself. I am done with buying books from them

Same here, binding off, print colors off, or warped paper and etc. I've been assuming they're fakes.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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post #91

It's always weird to read a story where someone's rooting for something like old bookstores to remain in-business. The thing's that I don't mind the economic shift nor the format shift. I don't particularly care for bookstores or even old-fashion books; I think electronic media with active content is vastly superior. I look forward to further advances in technology, where the line between static media and computation…

Sometimes you are buying more than just a book and human expertise still has a value. I'll give you an example, I was very pleased to see a local music store flourishing mid pandemic, as I feared they might go under. I purchased an instrument knowingly at a considerable markup because they had a ton of knowledge I needed and I was able to ask many questions. I know that if I decided to go in and ask all of those same…

> Amazon made provide a very good service now but once all competition is gone what incentive is there to provide the same level of service?

If a single business comes to dominate an entire industry, that's generally handled by anti-trust regulatory action.

I mean, I agree that a single monopoly that no longer cares for consumer preferences would seem like a bad thing; we wouldn't want any one company, e.g. Amazon.com, completely dominating the field to the exclusion of all others.

Though I dunno if old-fashion book stores would necessarily be the alternative. Or if the book-industry'll maintain its importance, even under Amazon.com, as other forms of media seem to be developing.

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EDIT: Amusingly, there's a link to an anti-trust thing for Amazon.com on HackerNews's front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24274159

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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I'm going to take this opportunity to grind my personal axe: Amazon is extremely lazy about shipping books, throwing them into lightly-padded envelopes. Books shipped from Amazon usually arrive with at least minor cosmetic damage and sometimes much worse. For me this is reason enough to avoid buying books on Amazon.

I recently ordered an illustrated novel with a rather heavy paperweight - Amazon shipped it in weakly padded envelopes and the corners were banged up. I even bothered to contact their customer service to ship it with better packaging, to no avail on the replacement item.

I then ordered 10 of the damn things, to see what the packaging would do. 4 came in one box, 3 came in another, and 3 came in individual poorly padded envelopes. The ones in boxes had insufficiently inflated plastic bags, and only 2 books out the entire 12 ordered (original, replacement, and the 10) were what Amazon defines as 'New' upon arrival, though all were shipped as 'New'.

Definitely a frustrating experience.

Edit: I returned all but the one showing the least damage, and received a full refund after some time.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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post #102
post #91

It's always weird to read a story where someone's rooting for something like old bookstores to remain in-business. The thing's that I don't mind the economic shift nor the format shift. I don't particularly care for bookstores or even old-fashion books; I think electronic media with active content is vastly superior. I look forward to further advances in technology, where the line between static media and computation…

Bookstores offer something electronic media doesn't -- discovery. 1. You know what you want, you search for it and order it. 2. You know vaguely what you want, you search, read reviews and order it. 3. You walk into a bookstore and wander around and eventually pick something out. I just haven't seen #3 replicated in online fashion. Sure there are a million sites that will guide you to what you want, but you never qui…

> Bookstores offer something electronic media doesn't -- discovery.

No, electronic media provides excellent ways to discover new books.

What you seem to be missing is browsing physical books in physical bookstores, which is different and grounded mostly in nostalgia.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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post #99
post #91

It's always weird to read a story where someone's rooting for something like old bookstores to remain in-business. The thing's that I don't mind the economic shift nor the format shift. I don't particularly care for bookstores or even old-fashion books; I think electronic media with active content is vastly superior. I look forward to further advances in technology, where the line between static media and computation…

I disagree. For fiction, at least, used bookstores let you find some obscure stuff for cheap, and a book can pass through many hands and develop its own story along the way. Some of this stuff isn't available digitally. I don't think ebooks are a definitive gain over physical. For fiction, I like being able to read them on my phone, and I like Kindle's X-Ray and other features on highlight (who is this character agai…

> Finally, kids books should be physical, forever. I don't let my kids read on a tablet or other device, ever.

That's an interesting position; would you mind commenting on why?

That said, if we're talking about things in the long-term, then neither old-fashion books nor tablets would seem relevant. Something like a good neural-lace would quickly obsolete both.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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I'm going to take this opportunity to grind my personal axe: Amazon is extremely lazy about shipping books, throwing them into lightly-padded envelopes. Books shipped from Amazon usually arrive with at least minor cosmetic damage and sometimes much worse. For me this is reason enough to avoid buying books on Amazon.

Same here. I am weirdly attached to my books and having an ugly crease in the cover of a paperback still bugs me when I look at it years later.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I want to be able to travel somewhere nearby on a whim, hold a product in my hands, sometimes physically compare it to a competing product, then travel home with it on that very same day.

And you represent all consumers?

I think I was pretty clear about who I was representing.
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