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Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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Powell's Technical Books used to be my favorite place to hang out. I would ride downtown in the morning and spend an entire day there, scanning every shelf in my fields of interest, reveling in periodic hits of serendipity. Since PTB closed, I've been back once. It wasn't worth it any more. I'll admit that I did like it better back before the store was spruced up to be like a Borders.

How is it like Borders? It's a warren of different rooms on different floors, half of which are more like a warehouse than a retail store, with a huge selection of used and new books shelved together. I loved the separate technical books stores, too, although they still have a great tech section in the main location. I assume the standalone PTBs shrank then closed because people were browsing more than buying.

> I assume the standalone PTBs shrank then closed because people were browsing more than buying

Should’ve charged a modest fee for the periodic hits of serendipity.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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> It's hard to know if you're buying something legit or from a shaddy business. Is this a US problem? In the UK I've never heard anyone ever receive a fake or dodgy product, but I see these complaints on HN in almost every thread about Amazons retail business.

I have, and I’m in the UK.

Plenty of fake electronics, cables, chargers, yes. Same here. But I don't think I've ever bought a fake (counterfeit) book. In that sense though I don't mind buying used books from eBay. Especially if the book I am looking for costs £100+. I can live with a £20 used one.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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Or would hedge funds and REITs just buy these spaces (or keep them to rent out after building them—a common practice for developers) and continue to charge high rent with more empty storefronts? I’ve thought for years that the growing number of commercial vacancies, even pre-Covid, would “sort itself out.” It certainly hasn’t yet.

The thing you're seeing with covid is that places are empty for the same reason they became empty, and the owners are speculating that demand will rebound in the future (e.g. once there is a vaccine) so they have no reason to sell for less today. If you change the zoning at a sufficient scale, rents would be expected to decline permanently , so there would be nothing gained by holding out until tomorrow.

IIRC Vancouver taxes empty properties more than the ones in use to prevent this kind of speculation.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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Or would hedge funds and REITs just buy these spaces (or keep them to rent out after building them—a common practice for developers) and continue to charge high rent with more empty storefronts? I’ve thought for years that the growing number of commercial vacancies, even pre-Covid, would “sort itself out.” It certainly hasn’t yet.

The thing you're seeing with covid is that places are empty for the same reason they became empty, and the owners are speculating that demand will rebound in the future (e.g. once there is a vaccine) so they have no reason to sell for less today. If you change the zoning at a sufficient scale, rents would be expected to decline permanently , so there would be nothing gained by holding out until tomorrow.

> The thing you're seeing with covid is that places are empty for the same reason they became empty, and the owners are speculating that demand will rebound in the future (e.g. once there is a vaccine) so they have no reason to sell for less today.

This partly explains why I saw -- with two temporary-by-design blips -- a particular downtown San Jose corner location empty for 10 years. Last I saw, they finally rented it out as an office, but that was just shy of Covid19.

Apparently a decade is the minimum for "wait for better demand" or they had//have pockets deep enough to play a long game.

I just don't understand how some people are happy with empty store-fronts. "I want the blightful eyesore, not the bustling tax money" doesn't make sense to me.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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Fortunately, Powells is great for this. Whenever I need a book delivered in the US they deliver. "In many parts of the world overgrown local busybodies have destroyed "high streets" in attempts to monetize drivers and pad their CV; driving people away. " Not sure what you're getting at here but if you think you deserve free private car storage on public land you might try reading The High Cost of Free Parking by Dona…

Let me guess. All cars are evil and the nation has adopted them simply to anger cyclist folk? Embarrassingly reductive giberish. Not everyone has a living situation to live as you'd wish them

You guessed what the content is from the title alone and then judged the book by your made-up content instead of actually finding out what the book might be about.

Now that is embarrassingly reductive gibberish.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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> by siphoning business from the real world and replacing it with internet commerce. I've got news for you, people want to order on a whim and have it arrive at their home the next day. If you don't offer that then people won't buy from you. In many parts of the world overgrown local busybodies have destroyed "high streets" in attempts to monetize drivers and pad their CV; driving people away.

I think next day is overrated. If something is important enough for you, surely most people should be willing to wait a few days e.g a week for it to arrive. It's not like you are going to finish that book the same day (usually).

That's not how human brain reward systems work though

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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Local businesses would stay open if they don't have to pay absurd rents, or that vacant storefronts are actually available for rent.

So they close early to do less business? And that pays the rent?? So instead of being able to catch people coming home from work, the local biz ignores those people? So those people can go home and buy from Amazon?

I think he means "stay open" as in "not go out of business" rather than "extend opening hours"

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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The problem is not Amazon, the problem is local rents. If we encourage mixed-use zoning, ie. 3-5 storey apartment blocks with the ground and first level for commercial and office use, we'll lower rents and reduce commutes.

If you take a trip to the East Bay you'll see mixed-use buildings with the storefronts converted to housing.

Re: Powell’s says it won’t sell books on Amazon anymore

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> by siphoning business from the real world and replacing it with internet commerce. I've got news for you, people want to order on a whim and have it arrive at their home the next day. If you don't offer that then people won't buy from you. In many parts of the world overgrown local busybodies have destroyed "high streets" in attempts to monetize drivers and pad their CV; driving people away.

*have it arrive the next day, realize they sold you a misprint as new, go and return the book, write an angry return text. Get the promise they will send you a new one, get another misprint, write an angry review

Seriously, Amazon really was good once. Now I'd rather order a book from any competitor that cares about their customers. Much less hassle.

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