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China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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No, you have power to actually influence at least people in your circle. At least on a personal level, you can start looking at the place of origin of products and be ready to pay more for an alternative. There is a subreddit where people will help you out with recommendations as well.

Can you share the subreddit? I would be interested in trying to do this

https://old.reddit.com/r/avoidchineseproducts/

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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a million? really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War Americans might have conveniently forgot what was happening in the world between the years 2001-2011, but the world hasn't.

There is one estimate at 1 million, one estimate at 400 thousand, and multiple estimates at 100 thousand.

The 1 million estimate seems to be a major outlier. Yes 100 thousand is still very terrible, but that's probably a more accurate number.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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It is clearly about religion. Read the UN report or the first sentence of the linked article: “China has secretly built scores of massive new prison and internment camps in the past three years, dramatically escalating its campaign against Muslim minorities” On a separate issue, the CCP is also rounding up trouble makers, and people that refuse to follow along and learn Mandarin would definitely qualify.

The "Muslim minorities" line is a trope used in Western media for the last couple of decades, especially in the wake of more interest in the Muslim world following 1990s and early 21st-century Islamist terrorism, but it obscures the fact that many Uighurs are non-religious or outright anti-religious. China is pleased at this "Muslim minority" angle that the Western media and NGOs use, because it can spin oppression o…

Kazakh, Kyrgyz and Hui Muslims in Xinjiang are subject to the same policies; the thing they have in common with Uyghur Muslims is that they're, well, Muslim, and that Kazakh and Kyrgyz speak Turkic languages.

Meanwhile, the Chairman of Xinjiang is Shohrat Zakir, an Uyghur politician and (of course) Communist Party member. Being non-religious or anti-religious is a good way for Uyghurs to make career in service of the Chinese state.

I also doubt that Uyghurs are somehow more independent from Chinese rule than other people in China, especially with respect to history, considering the supporting role of Uyghur troops in the genocide of Dzungars (who used to live in modern Xinjiang) by the Chinese Qing army.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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==For reference, my views are aligned with Sanders but I’d vote for Trump solely based on his actions towards China.== What is Trump doing about the concentration camps this article is about?

Tacitly approving of them to Xi, according to Bolton.

Yes, because we should all listen to and trust John Bolton, one of the worst war criminals of the 21st century.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/p...

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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> This project was supported by the Open Technology Fund, the Pulitzer Center, and the Eyebeam Center for the Future of Journalism.

Hmmm

> The Open Technology Fund was created in 2012 as a pilot program within Radio Free Asia.

Okay

> Based on Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Radio Free Asia was established in the 1990s with the stated aim of promoting democratic values and human rights, and diminishing the Communist Party of China.

> Radio Free Asia was founded and funded in the 1950s by an organization called "Committee for Free Asia" as an anti-communist propaganda operation, broadcasting from RCA facilities in Manila, Philippines.

So an article funded by a clearly biased anti-China propaganda organization that uses flimsy satellite imagery evidence to accuse a country of massive human rights abuses in order to rile up their population for another cold war that will feed their military industrial complex for many more decades. Great.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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It all started with the "July 2009 Ürümqi riots" and then escalated after the "2014 Kunming attack".

>"July 2009 Ürümqi riots" Those were just peaceful protests.

well, it didn't look very peaceful. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3A%C3%9...

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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> US greed gave China this power Maybe from the U.S. perspective, but at this point there are heaps of countries around the world who at least claim to be dependent on China. This is a matter of global moral cowardice; at least today, the U.S. is more ready to say no to it.

Or just another case of made-up US exceptionalism ("oh, how braver we are than those others for saying no to China now"), after the US corporations/market had profited from cheap Chinese manufacturing and sweat shop labor for years, and takes the high moral ground only now that "coincidentally" has an economic problem and wants to stop all the outsourcing. Meanwhile, all this talk of "global moral cowardice" was hard…

For example, Australia won't even withdraw special trade relations with Hong Kong now that the PRC is compromising the whole point of that status, the U.S. went ahead and did so.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Meanwhile, Europe was filled with BLM protests.

Because it was the hip thing to do.

Does the "hipness" of an idea that motivates legions of people to actively protest depend on the perceived average age and/or culture of said legions of people?

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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I can't believe this isn't something people are rallying for. Nor can I believe the mainstream media is hardly talking about it. The lessons from WWII aren't stories that we should memorise as fun trivia facts.

Maybe because they are already rallying for BLM? Americans are too busy before the election.

BLM and US police brutality has already been replaced by the Belarusian protests, even in Wikipedia's Ongoing events.

I guess everything's fine now.

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