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Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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My bet is that Zoom understand the GDPR just fine, and don't care.

They have repeatedly shown that they will do whatever they want, and then act contrite later if they're caught out. They are not trustworthy, and I won't run their software on any nonsandboxed environment AT ALL. There's utterly no reason to.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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It makes sense for them as a business to convert visitors to users to customers - nothing wrong with that for me.

Sadly, we live in a world where our expecations are a bit screwed. We're used to so many things being free, ranging from music streaming to programming libraries to nearly every service. We've become acustom to the world where so many things are free to use that people get annoyed when products make the free things not as enjoyable as the paid service. Or sometimes even when someone provides a paid service.

Whether or not your company pays for Zoom, you still get the same severely limited web version and a strong push to use apps.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Try a different browser. On Mac, Safari is much more resource efficient than Chrome for example. On Windows I'm not sure, but it can't hurt t give FF a try.

Last I checked FF was not even supported :)

It has been supported for at least a month, probably two. I didn't (have to) use Zoom before that, thankfully.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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When Teams breaks, it's Teams's fault. When Jitsi breaks, it's your fault.

Been using jit.si for months with extended family (up to ~7 connections), not broken yet.

Same, approximately. I got one literal grandma to use Jitsi, and all of my literal grandparents to use BigBlueButton, and the latter actually took effort. Jitsi is significantly easier to use than Zoom et al., requiring no account or anything but a browser even to host a meeting, and having an extremely intuitive UI compared to eg. Zoom, with eg. the "Raise Hand" button being a hand icon right on the bottom bar next to mute, etc. where there’s just empty space in Zoom, instead of buried under a "Participants" button. BigBlueButton is slightly less simple (eg. you need to log in to host, at least by clicking “Login with Google” or with Twitter or Microsoft) but both have worked flawlessly over dozens of meetings and been understandable to my grandparents.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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When Teams breaks, it's Teams's fault. When Jitsi breaks, it's your fault.

Been using jit.si for months with extended family (up to ~7 connections), not broken yet.

Then you are lucky. It breaks frequently (but randomly) and when it does, it's almost impossible to debug unless you have access to the broken machine (and that is unlikely given that you're probably at home and so are they).

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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MS Teams has the same behaviour in web client. Is it browser-level restriction?

Google Meet has tiled view on web.

(And Jitsi Meet and BigBlueButton, and according to another comment here Discord, and in my limited experience with Cisco WebEX web at least ≤7 people can be simultaneously visible there)

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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> And then, if you manage to see the link and use the browser, they withhold "Gallery View", forcing you to deal with the extremely annoying "Active Speaker View". Is this a browser limitation or something? I think microsoft teams has the same issue.

Jitsi supports multiple videos, I've had at least 6 people before. We use GoToMeeting at work, and many times have 20 people with video, plus screen sharing (there's also gotowebinar which supports thousands of viewers). With GTM I love that you can seamlessly share without disabling your video. The web browser experience is hands down better overall then everything else I've used (Zoom, MS Teams, Slack, Jitsi, WebEx…

> Support active speaker view, gallery (zoom-style), or GTM-style

I prefer Jitsi’s gallery style — that lets you scroll through the participants with your actual scroll wheel — to Zoom’s — forcing you to drag your cursor back and forth across the screen’s longest axis every time you want go back a screen of participants after advancing one, or vice-versa.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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The web version also won't allow the host to request control from what I can tell. I use it daily for remote support because new webex sucks and no one knows what jitsi is.

For remote support, you may want to look into a more purpose-built system, such as TeamViewer or LogMeIn Rescue.

Last time I spoke with TeamViewer, they still wouldn't admit they were hacked.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11826431 (TeamViewer denies hack after PCs hijacked, PayPal accounts drained)

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

#230

I love how when you go to enter a Zoom meeting, they bury the no-install, run-in-browser link in small type in a footer. And then, if you manage to see the link and use the browser, they withhold "Gallery View", forcing you to deal with the extremely annoying "Active Speaker View".

I wonder if that's a technical limitation - it's the same for Microsoft Teams. When used through a browser, you can only see one person at the time. To see everyone you have to install the app locally.
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