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Post by nayaketo »

gabaix wrote: post #130
greatpatton wrote: post #101

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I think that regarding free pass the US get it all the time. Look at the Iraq war, I think that only western country that had to suffer consequences was France with the Freedom Fry silliness. Moreover in the US almost everybody is proud to have fight this war... We in Europe should be more vocal about what US and China think they can do to the rest of the world without consequences. China is an awful country, we just…

> we just discovered that Chinese police officer are invited here to identify potential Chinese to send back to China What country is this?

Switzerland. According to the comment above yours. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24304179

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Post by vorpalhex »

take_a_breath wrote: post #103
Darmody wrote: post #10

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Some of us don't have much power. I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do. People like Lebron James, who thinks of himself like a freedom fighter, when he criticized China he ended up saying he was misinformed and he wasn't educated about the issue. He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some n…

==He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some nazi collaborators did.== All of this could be said about our current President and his family. He has far more power than LeBron James, maybe we should hold him accountable?

Who cares? Lebron James and yourself are both adults capable of taking stances and acting on them regardless the actions and behaviors of the president of the US.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

take_a_breath wrote: post #103
Darmody wrote: post #10

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Some of us don't have much power. I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do. People like Lebron James, who thinks of himself like a freedom fighter, when he criticized China he ended up saying he was misinformed and he wasn't educated about the issue. He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some n…

==He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some nazi collaborators did.== All of this could be said about our current President and his family. He has far more power than LeBron James, maybe we should hold him accountable?

Actually, in a strange way LeBron James has way more power than Trump in regards to cultural pressure that can result in change. Trump has been using this issue as an excuse to ramp up pressure in the south china sea among other things, but people don’t believe him to actually care.

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Post by luckylion »

nedsma wrote: post #138
thecleaner wrote: post #119

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Force it how ? Countries cannot go at an all trade war. Us consumers need to reshape thw market. And most of us happend to be very pro human rights but we are just convinced into believing that nothing we as individuals do matter.

By sanctioning responsible government officials and businesses related to the concentration camps. Currently, the US secretary of state is lobbying in Europe against Huawei and their 5G networks. The same thing should happen whenever there are massive human rights violations.

Going down that route would backfire hard, unless you want to go openly for different laws for different people.

I.e. how would you convince European citizens that it's right to sanction Chinese businesses that profit from prison labor, but wrong to sanction US businesses that profit from prison labor?

Or ignore those Europeans ... how do you convince US citizens of it? Sounds like they're quite angry about the domestic problem right now.

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Post by enriquto »

TheUndead96 wrote: post #2

To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

> To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

I agree 100% with what you say. But if you are from the USA, you may better not say it.

It is just impossible for a person from the USA not to sound ridiculously hypocritical when criticizing China. You are the greatest war-mongering country in the last few generations! If you are from the U.S.A., it is more realistic and effective to work on stopping your country killing people abroad.

Not that anything that you say or suggest about China is wrong. But this century will not be remembered only by the Chinese genocide of the Uighurs, but also by the north-american aggressive and murderous imperialism.

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Post by cortesoft »

misja111 wrote: post #127
cortesoft wrote: post #111

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I don’t understand what the ‘cancel culture’ comment is supposed to mean. There are a million tweets condemning China’s behavior... way more than the number of tweets targeting people who are ‘cancelled’ The difference is that tweets can effect a regular person’s life, and they are ‘cancelled’. China doesn’t care. A company will act to fire a single person who behaves badly because of consumer pressure; it doesn’t co…

Cancel culture means boycotting public figures or companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive. You are talking only about tweets but those have little to do with it. Boycotting China is definitely possible, simply stop buying their goods. Vote with your wallet! If enough people do this then it will definitely have an impact, possibly even enough to bring about some real chan…

> Boycotting China is definitely possible, simply stop buying their goods.

How would you even know which products have raw materials that come from China? You will be hard pressed to find something that doesn’t have parts made in China, and even harder pressed to be able to figure that out.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

Darmody wrote: post #178
qiqing wrote: post #117

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Hypothetically, let's say you're a regular Chinese citizen concerned about human rights abuses and police brutality in the US. Can you roughly estimate the impact of your forum posts, boycotts, and all that on US government policy?

There's a huge difference. China needs the west to keep buying their stuff. China had a huge economic development thanks to the money from the west. They don't even have to care about their internal economy as long as billions and billions flow in from the west. Now, if we change that by let's say moving factories back home or to Africa, they'll be in trouble. If you're a Chinese citizen, first of all you don't have…

> China needs the west to keep buying their stuff. China had a huge economic development thanks to the money from the west. They don't even have to care about their internal economy as long as billions and billions flow in from the west.

This seems... economically confused. Billions flowing in from the West reflect the fact that China's internal economy is strong. If it fell apart, no money would flow in.

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Post by berdario »

misja111 wrote: post #142
smhost wrote: post #5

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Americans killed a million muslims and destroyed their homeland. China imprisoned a million muslims and put them in factories. Stop being so dramatic.

First of all you seem to assume that everybody here is American. Let me tell you, they are not. Second, if the USA killed a million muslims, does that make it right that China does it as well? I don't think it does.

First of all, China didn't kill a million muslims.

Second, discrimination or racism is never right, but the arguments related to Xinjiang prisons are being used to drum up popular support for a [cold] war against China. We have a duty to speak out against our leaders, so that we can prevent tragic mistakes being made.

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Post by pessimizer »

sol_invictus wrote: post #182
borg_ wrote: post #166

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or, OP simply does not want their true identity to be labeled as "pro-China" and created this specific account given how toxic, biased and hostile HN comment section has become wrt "pro-China" sentiment, by people like yourself. Counter the argument for what it is if you wish but going after OP's account history is not called for.

There is nothing 'toxic' about calling out astroturfing where it is blatant, especially since there is no way to flag individual accounts on this platform.

Calling out the very few Chinese people on English platforms defending their country as shills is even more chilling than China calling everybody who mentions things like this spies and dissidents. In the west, it's also racially coded. It's also against a lot of forums' rules, including this one. It's an excuse not to engage on the merits, but to blanket dismiss.

> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.

You should look through the comments of people who are constantly anti-China with the same vigilance; I'm sure you'll find 100x as many. Also, astroturfing is when corporations create activist organizations, not when somebody has an opinion you don't like, or when somebody believes their own government.

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