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Scrollbar Blindness

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Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Google "Windows disable shaking".

lol, the pinnacle of feature discoverability...

Oh yeah. Google to:

- discover which registry key

- discover how to craft shit in a game

- to find where my Android setting is and what the searchterm/keyword for it is.

Without google/duckduckgo 80% of the options in my world would be undiscoverable or take waaaay too much time to figure out.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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iPad multitasking modes are like that. Easy to trigger, impossible to get away from without a Google search.

You can disable it on the iPad from: Settings | Home Screen & Dock | Multitasking | Allow Multiple Apps No idea if the same setting exists on iPhone or if it disabled split screen through. The whole feature is so badly designed on iPad. I was forever detaching a Safari page and ending up with two Safari apps. So tapping the Safari icon wouldn't take me back, it only takes you to the detached page, and you think you h…

It's one of the most baffling UI's I've seen. Like it's actively designed to thwart you.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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> you can grab the scroll bar to scroll at hyper speed I think it's called using a scrollbar. :) That's typically how they work. To spare readers the content marketing piece: tap and hold to grab it.

That wasn't how they worked on nearly any modern multi-touch capacitive touchscreen device.

I've taken to using a fling motion on my Android devices since grabbing the position indicator in a scrollbar is comparatively inconvenient... but performance is fine.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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I have to pile onto the criticism of the hidden scroll bars, and other similar features (like the hidden buttons of PDF viewers now, such as in Chrome). Discoverability is a problem. For anyone (cough, elderly parents) who aren't adept at discovering hidden features, these things can be utterly mind-boggling and frustrating. Even I was stumped for a good minute the first time trying to print/save/download a PDF when…

Reminded me of this great piece by Don Norman on Apple's undoing of design as of recent: https://www.fastcompany.com/3053406/how-apple-is-giving-desi... "Once upon a time, Apple was known for designing easy-to-use, easy-to-understand products. It was a champion of the graphical user interface, where it is always possible to discover what actions are possible, clearly see how to select that action, receive unambiguous…

When my girlfriend got an iMac I spent a minute or two trying to find the power button. I think it’s a good example of form over function. You can’t even turn the damn thing on.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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I have to pile onto the criticism of the hidden scroll bars, and other similar features (like the hidden buttons of PDF viewers now, such as in Chrome). Discoverability is a problem. For anyone (cough, elderly parents) who aren't adept at discovering hidden features, these things can be utterly mind-boggling and frustrating. Even I was stumped for a good minute the first time trying to print/save/download a PDF when…

Simple Windows Prank:

- select non-maxmised open window

- keyboard shortcut Alt+Space. Then M. to move.

- use arrow keys to move windows offscreen, say to the right. Don't touch the mouse!

- Hit Enter key to confirm position.

From now on. Anything but "full maximise from the taskbar" makes the window "disappear" without a trace. "Restore" from the taskbar doesn't help.

And assuming you even know exactly happened, you still have to guess which direction they took the window and how far...

How is it there is no "Position Reset to 0,0" option?

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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That's a lot of work to make sure every user's experience on their platform is inconsistent.

Seems like you responded to the wrong comment.

"I threw away all of the custom JS approaches that try to mimic Apple's solution because none were perfect and, in every case, introduced new problems that disqualified them entirely."

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Hidden features extends to many things.

On NTFS you can hide an arbitrarily large file in the "Alternate datastream" of any file. Explorer doesn't show you alternate datastreams and certainly doesn't show you they are possible.

You can use VLC to play a bluray from what appears to be a 1kb text file in Explorer.

If you have that on a USB stick, the properties of the USB stick will reflect the capacity loss of the bluray image. But Explorer won't show you why or which file has it...

https://blog.foldersecurityviewer.com/ntfs-alternate-data-st...

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Windows keys started the nightmare for me decades ago. So nice hitting one of those while gaming full-screen! This conversation happened a thousand times: "but you can hit them again and restore what you were doing"... no, I can't, specially if I have pressed a dozen keys since. I used to buy IBM keyboards from more civilized times, but my dealer disappeared, maybe he was arrested?

Get you a gaming keyboard with a Windows key lock.

I don't play much lately, but I do have a Keyz Iridium. It was the cheapest mechanic keyboard I found, at least what feels more similar to mechanic. Don't get me wrong, the trippy colours are nice too. And... it has a combo to disable Windows keys!!

Thank you very much :)

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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It’s so strange to me to read these kind of comments, and to even see this article. I detest scroll bars. When I work on my windows machine I cannot stand seeing them plastered all over the screen. It’s actually quite fascinating to read all these comments - it’s so weird to see people complaining about how they don’t know when a scroll is available. Just scroll and see! No negative feelings toward people who prefer…

> how they don’t know when a scroll is available. Just scroll and see! Why should I try scrolling everywhere all the time instead of having the UI indicate to me that there is more content? Especially if it isn't clear by having a word or sentence cut of. Maybe the scroll area ends with a paragraph and it's not clear there is more. Why put aesthetics over usability? Some other comments here claim iPhone users develop…

Why should you?

Because some things are scrollable and it’s usually fairly obvious if there’s going to be more content.

If it’s not clear to you, I totally get why you think that.

But I don’t suffer the same issue.

Why should I have to have scrolbars plastered all over the show to tell me that something is scrollable when I can check it myself in less than a second?

I understand why people disagree - why is it so hard for you to understand that I disagree?

Generally it feels like the pro scroll bar opinion is actually quite aggressive, needlessly so.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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For anyone (cough, elderly parents) who aren't adept at discovering hidden features You don't even have to be elderly. The 20-somethings in the office (pre-pandemic) had no idea that on an inconsistent smattering of Apple apps, if you pull down, a hidden search bar magically appears. How did that conversation go? Dev: Where do you want the search bar to go? Designer: Put it somewhere that no one will ever see it, or…

Or, swipe-sideways on SMS and that's how you can see timestamps! It all sucks. I'm convinced that devs are trying to frustrate me, and it's working. Don't get me started on the icons-without-text design shit.

> swipe-sideways on SMS

WHAT?!

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