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How satellite ‘megaconstellations’ will photobomb astronomy images

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Why do astronomers own the skies? I don't remember when they got title to that property.

I don't remember the sky being awarded to America either.

I don't remember America claiming it was. The relevant international treaties are being followed. Also not all these companies are American. OneWeb is a UK company soon to be owned by the UK government and an Indian conglomerate. The satellites it launches are built in cooperation with Airbus, a European company.

Re: How satellite ‘megaconstellations’ will photobomb astronomy images

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The article covers the mitigations already in place and how they only partially resolve the issue. These satellites are low, bright (at dawn/dusk) and very soon to be incredibly numerous. Yes, it is possible for data workflows to post-process these streaks away, but not all configurations allow this, and whereas previous intrusions were somewhat rare and could be ignored that simply won't be the case due to three com…

> This is a hill I'll die on. bit dramatic for a comment on the Internet

This is a fairly common phrase in online discussions meaning "I will not budge on this position, and I am willing to take a lot of flak/abuse for it"

Re: How satellite ‘megaconstellations’ will photobomb astronomy images

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The article covers the mitigations already in place and how they only partially resolve the issue. These satellites are low, bright (at dawn/dusk) and very soon to be incredibly numerous. Yes, it is possible for data workflows to post-process these streaks away, but not all configurations allow this, and whereas previous intrusions were somewhat rare and could be ignored that simply won't be the case due to three com…

> This is a hill I'll die on. bit dramatic for a comment on the Internet

It's an idiom.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hill_to_die_on

Re: How satellite ‘megaconstellations’ will photobomb astronomy images

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I'm sure astronomers would pay for access to a global distributed space-based telescope. So, if there is demand... We are about to have a huge supply.

I often wonder how come we(as in, humanity) ever only launched a single Hubble telescope. Surely, once you built one, you should be able to build more. Or other countries should be able to take the designs and launch their own versions. Hubble was(and I imagine still is) occupied for weeks at the time taking pictures of certain areas of the sky. Why don't we have 50 Hubbles up in the orbit, doing different things sim…

If you want an answer to this question, the search string is "James Webb Space Telescope".

Be warned: it isn't a pretty picture.

Re: How satellite ‘megaconstellations’ will photobomb astronomy images

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Could a country (or a continent) in theory remove satellites hanging above their area? What if countries decide to extend the airspace to the aerospace?

There are international treaties that govern some of this stuff. E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty (Which I think is for further out than orbit)

You can find out more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_law

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This is why I take 500+ images and process them. I don't think the moving satellites would cause any harm to long exposure deep space photography. I agree if you take 30 pictures, it could be a problem.

> This is why I take 500+ images and process them. If you do 500 exposures you get 500x read noise of the sensor mixed with signal. Modern CCD and CMOS sensor have low read noise (compared to thermal and shot noise) but not zero. For scientific observations of faint objects long exposure times on order of hours are necessary, for amateur astrophotography you can just go with multiple exposures.

Thanks for the explanation, I didn't realise there was a per-exposure noise component.

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I feel like this could be solved with a simple requirement that anyone launching anything shiny into LEO has to help fund space based telescopes. They're better anyway and we can have the best of all worlds that way...

> has to help fund space based telescopes. The telescopes from space can't do what the Earth based can, so the premise is false.

Is that true? What are they missing?

I thought Hubble, JWST etc could do basically everything a ground based one could do only better? Excluding radio telescopes which are huge but not effected by satellites anyway.

Re: How satellite ‘megaconstellations’ will photobomb astronomy images

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The article covers the mitigations already in place and how they only partially resolve the issue. These satellites are low, bright (at dawn/dusk) and very soon to be incredibly numerous. Yes, it is possible for data workflows to post-process these streaks away, but not all configurations allow this, and whereas previous intrusions were somewhat rare and could be ignored that simply won't be the case due to three com…

As a shareholder I am in favour of investment in development of mitigation software. Better to take the initiative, before a government does.

Re: How satellite ‘megaconstellations’ will photobomb astronomy images

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The article covers the mitigations already in place and how they only partially resolve the issue. These satellites are low, bright (at dawn/dusk) and very soon to be incredibly numerous. Yes, it is possible for data workflows to post-process these streaks away, but not all configurations allow this, and whereas previous intrusions were somewhat rare and could be ignored that simply won't be the case due to three com…

I personally believe that pervasive high speed internet even in remote locations will do more for humanity than the scientific cost of these satellites. However, this conversation has basically been skipped over. Maybe you're right and I'm wrong. The constellations are being launched, and there's zero chance of shutting them down once they're serving a commercial role. Considering the abundant red tape in the modern…

My personal idea is that Starlink is built for automated high speed stock trading across the oceans, because it reduces round-trip latency by some ten milliseconds. Light is much faster in vacuum, almost lightspeed, then in fiber. In fiber the speed of light is around 68% of light speed in vaccum. Giving "Internet to everybody" is just a marketing trick. People who maybe could need internet for social reasons cannot afford Starlink, that is for sure.

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If only there were some existing available technology designed to make satellites hard to see or otherwise detect. Oh well. Too bad nobody’s ever researched that. https://youtu.be/ZV6A74qLiec

Best thing to do midnight is watching youtube conspiracy videos.

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy to imply that several nations likely have a significant body of research on stealth satellite technology that could likely solve the problem at hand.
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