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TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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I support it because of "the China thing". Not because I think China is inherently bad (I am capable of separating China from the CCP) but as long as the CCP enforces heir draconian laws that don't permit foreign companies free access to the Chinese market I think this should be reciprocated. Any other response is reckless.

It's easy to forget that China is still a developing nation (~$10k gdp/capita) and protectionist policy is designed to allow developing nations to strengthen domestic industries. If "free access" were permitted, these Chinese companies would surely be absolutely crushed by their US counterparts and its citizens would forever be consumers of US goods while forever providing the cheap labor to produce them. To build se…

That's not really our problem though. They've shown they have no intention of opening up regardless of how rich they get.

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Agreed. It’s not any different from saying “as a westerner...”. Europe is a continent, not a political union.

Europe isn't a continent. It's the bit of Asia where white people live. India has a much better claim to being a continent than Europe does.

This must be the weirdest gatekeeping comment I've seen in a while. Also, who is claiming what now? Words and conventions are a thing, so it seems awfully unproductive to say something that is, isn't.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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What makes you think that? The Russian government just poisoned another opposition thinker, these things are not beyond the pale. North Korea hired a couple of pretty girls to kill a renegade brother or somesuch in public . China has disappeared people over just a few wrong words If I were in that position I'd make sure I have at least a couple bodyguards, and good ones at that

> The Russian government just poisoned another opposition thinker, wow i didn't know he was an american CEO. you're a genius. > North Korea hired a couple of pretty girls to kill a renegade brother or somesuch in public. wow i didn't know being an american CEO made you the brother of a dictator in an authoritarian country > China has disappeared people over just a few wrong words wow i didn't know the american CEO wa…

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Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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What I still don't understand is why European governments haven't made tit for tat measures against China in corporate law. Why do we allow free market access to chinese companies when they don't? Are we crazy? Why not give the keys to our factories/companies while we are at it?

The World Trade Organization allows for asymmetrical relations like that for developing countries. Same reason why we don't demand a level playing field between sheep and wolves... China is a poor, third-world country.

>China is a poor, third-world country.

No. It's a very dangerous economic and military juggernaut that abuses its population as well as the environment. Let's be real.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I support it because of "the China thing". Not because I think China is inherently bad (I am capable of separating China from the CCP) but as long as the CCP enforces heir draconian laws that don't permit foreign companies free access to the Chinese market I think this should be reciprocated. Any other response is reckless.

It's easy to forget that China is still a developing nation (~$10k gdp/capita) and protectionist policy is designed to allow developing nations to strengthen domestic industries. If "free access" were permitted, these Chinese companies would surely be absolutely crushed by their US counterparts and its citizens would forever be consumers of US goods while forever providing the cheap labor to produce them. To build se…

Build domestic industries by stealing IP from foreign competitors? that’s not super cool to do.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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As a European I find this whole story very confusing. A president that can just force a specific company on very short notice to shut down operation, is very concerning. What is even more concerning is that a lot of people here tend to agree because of the China thing. If it is that important, why is there no law that enforces this?

Most countries have significant rules and regulations around foreign-owned corporations. Countries generally think it's important to their national security to prevent widespread foreign ownership of internal resources. But there is a trade-off where you make reciprocal deals with trusted foreign trade partners to facilitate trade and growth. Everything works smoothly when everyone plays by the same rules. China has…

I think you missed my point. I don't really care whether this is the right move or not, and to be honest I don't really know.

But I care that some president can simply say "Hey specific corporation, you have 45 days to comply with the rules that are in my head."

> You can't even do something as simple as set up an S Corp in the US if you are foreign.

Sure, that is a rule in the law, no problem with that. But what if I'm friends with Trump and he makes an exception just for me?

Here in Europe, we have separation of law, government and religion. I know it's a bit more blurry in the states (see the "In god we trust"). In this case (and in some other cases such as pardoning prisoners), your government seems to interfere with your law. In my opinion, that becomes very tricky business if you start eroding those rules. Because when you're friends with the government, the law doesn't apply to you. And if you're enemy with the government, forget about your rights.

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Movies formulated for mass appeal and merchandising. Theme parks that must remain open. A back catalog of tens of thousands of movies made since 1924 exclusively available through your Disney+ membership. Increasingly, all of American pop culture, super heroes, and sci-fi mythos. It's a bland brand, but I'm not sure Netflix is any better with their willingness to fund shows only as long as the cost to viewer ratio is…

Strong agree on Netflix - for streaming in the UK I use Sky Cinema and it's on another level.

It's been a long time since I've had a look at Sky; I was just about to comment on how good the offering is on NowTV's Sky Cinema Pass... until I realised that it only included movies.

For a similar price with Netflix you get movies + TV shows. Granted that the selection of movies on Sky Cinema do seem better, but if you're a fan of both then its still hard to beat Netflix's offering

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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As a European I find this whole story very confusing. A president that can just force a specific company on very short notice to shut down operation, is very concerning. What is even more concerning is that a lot of people here tend to agree because of the China thing. If it is that important, why is there no law that enforces this?

I support it because of "the China thing". Not because I think China is inherently bad (I am capable of separating China from the CCP) but as long as the CCP enforces heir draconian laws that don't permit foreign companies free access to the Chinese market I think this should be reciprocated. Any other response is reckless.

You missed my point: If this is your view, why does a president need to pick on 1 specific company? Why not make it a rule that applies to all companies?

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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Most countries have significant rules and regulations around foreign-owned corporations. Countries generally think it's important to their national security to prevent widespread foreign ownership of internal resources. But there is a trade-off where you make reciprocal deals with trusted foreign trade partners to facilitate trade and growth. Everything works smoothly when everyone plays by the same rules. China has…

I think you missed my point. I don't really care whether this is the right move or not, and to be honest I don't really know. But I care that some president can simply say "Hey specific corporation, you have 45 days to comply with the rules that are in my head." > You can't even do something as simple as set up an S Corp in the US if you are foreign. Sure, that is a rule in the law, no problem with that. But what if…

The president’s actions, granted on behalf of congress, are already being challenged in court.

Religion has nothing to do with it, besides indicating a familiarity with US politics being mistaken as understanding.

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