Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Clover: An all-in-one notebook

cloverapp.co

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

81–87 of 87 posts

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

#81

Post by Chris2048 »

jwr wrote: post #27
system2 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One time only: Yes. Recurring monthly: NEVER. There are bazillion apps out there, mostly free or comes with free tier. Unless this is $9.99 or lower, I would never consider. Just my opinion.

> Recurring monthly: NEVER. [...] Unless this is $9.99 or lower, I would never consider. And yet, you likely expect regular updates when the OS is updated, a constant stream of bug fixes, and (probably) some improvements. In other words, you expect regular development for a one-time fee of $9.99 or lower. $9.99 is the cost of about 5 minutes of a skilled programmer's time. This is not realistic and definitely not sus…

A skilled, but non-exclusive, dev costs $1200 an hour?

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

#82

Post by limomium »

jermeh wrote: post #71
limomium wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Well thought out"? There are TWO features listed, some kind of non-straight line writing thing, and the ability to change color. No mention of literally anything else - like, if your notes are stored in accessible format offline or if they are lost when the business goes belly up. Never, ever take notes into a proprietary cloud silo!

I'm not sure how you concluded that there are only two features listed. Going back through the page I see: * calendar-based navigation (Agenda) * gantt/timeline display * image collages * non-linear organization * command line * dedicated tasks tab * global search * customizable colors, fonts, icons I'm not saying that Clover is incredible or that your "proprietary cloud silo" paradigm is incorrect, but saying the ap…

I went looking for these things you claim are there, and you're right! They are hidden in the screenshots without nary a mention!

This is what the website SAYS:

"What if we had a tool that could work in straight lines or… well… not straight lines? [...] We built a new style of text editor from the ground up to better support creative thinking. Clover lets you explode traditional documents and work in a more free-form manner for better brainstorming, mind-mapping, and exploration."

Notice the difference between what YOU said, and what the WEBSITE says? You produced a useful list of features; the website blabbers in incomprehensible marketing-speak.

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

#83

Post by jwr »

Chris2048 wrote: post #81
jwr wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Recurring monthly: NEVER. [...] Unless this is $9.99 or lower, I would never consider. And yet, you likely expect regular updates when the OS is updated, a constant stream of bug fixes, and (probably) some improvements. In other words, you expect regular development for a one-time fee of $9.99 or lower. $9.99 is the cost of about 5 minutes of a skilled programmer's time. This is not realistic and definitely not sus…

A skilled, but non-exclusive, dev costs $1200 an hour?

Huh? $10 for 5 minutes is about $120 an hour. Which is a a way-too-low estimate of the fully loaded cost of a skilled developer.

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

#84

Post by jwr »

prerok wrote: post #43
jwr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words, we expect "others" to pay for us through economies of scale. This might work for top-tier video games, but it definitely does not work for niche software.

Exactly. If you are developing a product you have to make sure that it reaches a sufficient number of people that would pay a certain amount. Number of customers times the price and you get your expected income. If that is too low then don't spend your time on it cause you'll just be losing money. Consider, if your argument is taken to its absurd extreme, then you would have to pay for full development of any softwar…

> Exactly. If you are developing a product you have to make sure that it reaches a sufficient number of people that would pay a certain amount. Number of customers times the price and you get your expected income. If that is too low then don't spend your time on it cause you'll just be losing money.

I hope it doesn't come to that. Because then we'd only end up with apps like Fortnite, Adobe Photoshop, and Microsoft Office. All the specialized apps would be gone, and if you need something in an industry that just isn't that large, well tough luck, because at $9.99/app the developers won't ever make a living.

Look, it's fine to only need mass-market apps. But let other people make niche apps and charge an amount that results in sustainable software development, without criticizing them for subscription pricing.

Subscription pricing is the only sustainable way to maintain a niche app.

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

#85

Post by Chris2048 »

jwr wrote: post #83
Chris2048 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A skilled, but non-exclusive, dev costs $1200 an hour?

Huh? $10 for 5 minutes is about $120 an hour. Which is a a way-too-low estimate of the fully loaded cost of a skilled developer.

You are right. That said, I have 2 points for that comment, so I guess it went unnoticed...

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

#86

Post by 0xdeadb00f »

triyambakam wrote: post #26

I used to be obsessed with trying new note taking apps, but I've been the happiest and most productive using Vim and Markdown on my laptop synced via Syncthing to my phone and editing with Markor. I've used Vim for as long as I could program, so I am embarrassed that it took me so long to set this up (a few months ago) but I finally don't care about note taking apps. Edit: sometimes I print my notes and for that I us…

The problem I have is Markor's ugly design. I prefer a UI like that of the app "Monospace" (which I don't use, because it isn't open source).

I'm more of a developer than an end user but I still cannot stand apps with odd, "ugly" UI. I get this is mostly subjective though.

Edit: I downloaded Markor just to see again. It's actually not as awful as I remember, I do dislike the primary dark purple however. Otherwise, it's quite decent, I might start using it.

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

#87

Post by RobKohr »

My all in one notebook:

* Dropbox folder called Notebook

* Has a file called Notebook.md which has links to other files: Tasks.md (to do lists with date headers), Blog.md, etc

* VSC with some markdown extensions

   * Markdown All In One

   * Markdown Preview Enhanced

   * mushan.vscode-paste-image
Doesn't do great as far as mobile note taking, but aside from that, its ability to organize is limitless.
Post reply on HN