Clover: An all-in-one notebook • Hacker News Board

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by dersoi » Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 6:32 AM UTC

RyanDeLap wrote: post #6

Looks pretty cool. Any other information on how this may be different to Notion?

My first thought too. I feel this is meant to be more chaotic in someway: being able to put all the information raw and rearrange them easily, whereas Notion feels more like documentation, where your data has to fit a template.

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by sebiol » Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 6:55 AM UTC

gherkinnn wrote: post #20

I use markdown in Writer and physical notebooks myself. Both lack the ability to easily add pictures. Bad iPad integration will be a killer for me though. Worth a look, I suppose.

My best Markdown experience so far on iPad is with Working Copy. It is primarily a Git client.

The preview mode handles pictures well, but for editing you are stuck with a basic code editor. Using the preview mode I can even navigate to other notes in the same repository via links in the notes.

Might not work for your use case. If it sounds interesting, give it a try.

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by freeone3000 » Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 6:58 AM UTC

nxc18 wrote: post #15

Very interesting. This feels like a fusion of my favorite tools: OneNote and Todoist. The command line is a great feature - Todoist executes on it well, also the Outlook app but on macOS only for some reason. This appears to solve a major gripe with OneNote: it is really hard to style and get things looking like I want them to. It also lacks formatted code display - the whole Office suite is surprisingly very behind…

If you write the code in Visual Studio and paste it into Word, it preserves Visual Studio formatting. This is what's used instead of putting code formatting into Office.

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by steveharman » Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 7:00 AM UTC

Needs to have browser plugins for desktop and "share to" option from mobile, for noting web content / URLs.

Hopefully it will.

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by krono » Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 7:15 AM UTC

All I want is basically Notion with an API, and the ability to self-host our data to mitigate security and privacy concerns.

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by triyambakam » Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 7:22 AM UTC

I used to be obsessed with trying new note taking apps, but I've been the happiest and most productive using Vim and Markdown on my laptop synced via Syncthing to my phone and editing with Markor. I've used Vim for as long as I could program, so I am embarrassed that it took me so long to set this up (a few months ago) but I finally don't care about note taking apps.

Edit: sometimes I print my notes and for that I use the Vim plugin MarkdownPreview to render to the browser, then print there

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by jwr » Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 7:36 AM UTC

system2 wrote: post #18

emaro wrote: post #8

Looks pretty clean. I wonder about a) pricing / distribution model and b) compatibility with other tools i.e. if you use open formats. Note: Displaying email addresses in uppercase is bad UX, since emails are mostly, but not always case insensitive.

One time only: Yes. Recurring monthly: NEVER. There are bazillion apps out there, mostly free or comes with free tier. Unless this is $9.99 or lower, I would never consider. Just my opinion.

> Recurring monthly: NEVER. [...] Unless this is $9.99 or lower, I would never consider.

And yet, you likely expect regular updates when the OS is updated, a constant stream of bug fixes, and (probably) some improvements. In other words, you expect regular development for a one-time fee of $9.99 or lower.

$9.99 is the cost of about 5 minutes of a skilled programmer's time.

This is not realistic and definitely not sustainable.

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by smetj » Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 7:37 AM UTC

Where, how and in in which format is my data stored? First question I have ...

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by ffpip » Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 7:41 AM UTC

krono wrote: post #25

All I want is basically Notion with an API, and the ability to self-host our data to mitigate security and privacy concerns.

https://github.com/kjk/notionapi

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by prerok » Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 7:58 AM UTC

jwr wrote: post #27

system2 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One time only: Yes. Recurring monthly: NEVER. There are bazillion apps out there, mostly free or comes with free tier. Unless this is $9.99 or lower, I would never consider. Just my opinion.

> Recurring monthly: NEVER. [...] Unless this is $9.99 or lower, I would never consider. And yet, you likely expect regular updates when the OS is updated, a constant stream of bug fixes, and (probably) some improvements. In other words, you expect regular development for a one-time fee of $9.99 or lower. $9.99 is the cost of about 5 minutes of a skilled programmer's time. This is not realistic and definitely not sus…

And yet, we expect games to be at this price or lower with the same hard constraints and I would argue they take even more work.

That's just the economy of scale. I also think that anything beyond $10 is too pricey. Monthly plan? No way.