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Japan facing credit card number shortage

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Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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> that I set online to exactly the amount I'm spending Sounds like it would take longer at checkout though?

Lots of my spending is online. Like everybody else, considering Amazon's success.

Amazon supports direct debit, so you don't even need a card. At least in the SEPA countries.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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> You can't get 125 million folks into this address space? I think some people are now using a new card number per transaction , with these disposable card numbers, aren't they?

You're talking about services like Google/Apple Pay right? Aren't these credit card numbers rotated by Google/Apple, and they just keep some mapping of userIds, transactionIds, and rotated cardIds?

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Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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Why don’t we teach schoolchildren the NATO phonetic alphabet? Seems like it wouldn’t take that long, and it would be a useful skill for their whole life.

We should. There are so many adults who think it's cute to make up their own phonetics not realizing the whole purpose is to reduce ambiguity, not make it fun to spell things aloud.

As an adult who tries to remember the NATO phonetic alphabet but can't because I only use it once per month, I don't make up words "for fun" or "to be cute". I do it because I can't remember the NATO word. Compared to just saying the letters, the words I choose certainly do reduce ambiguity, even if using the NATO alphabet would go even further.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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Beyond assigning IINs more judiciously, credit rating systems could drop the concept of "more accounts = better credit". It would discourage people from opening 7 credit cards to raise scores, when 1 or 2 would do.

Credit scores are not a thing in Japan. Unless you already have a significant amount of debt, a shaky payment history or other risky factory they will give you the card.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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Beyond assigning IINs more judiciously, credit rating systems could drop the concept of "more accounts = better credit". It would discourage people from opening 7 credit cards to raise scores, when 1 or 2 would do.

Here in Japan there's no "more accounts = better credit" mantra (but zero card is bad for credit if you're not young). Oppositely "more account = reduces credit limit for new card" is mantra for credit card mania people.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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I have 4 unused cards I keep open just for this, seems a complete waste for every body.

Make sure to use them every once in awhile, otherwise the issuer may close them.

I have mine with automatic payments on setup on them and a couple reoccuring bills on each so there is consistent activity and is paid in full before the end of the billing period for just this reason.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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I wonder how this became a problem. Your CC number is not just 16 digits long. It's 16, plus expiration, plus the 3-4 extra security digits, plus your name, plus your zip code. That's quite a lot of entropy.

That's not true. The number is just the number, though it can be more than 16 digits. The initial six digits identify the card issuer. Expiration and CVC/CCV are security checks, but only work in combination with the number. Name is generally not verified, though is often used in fraud assessment. Address verification is uncommon, and almost unused outside the US.

When I add a card to Amazon, it doesn't even ask for the CVC/CCV. So it looks like sometimes it's literally just the number.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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Only slightly more insane than keeping the handy 4x4 format, but extending it from base 10 numbers to base 16, which I would really love to see :D

They would need to EOL over-the-phone payments to do this. People have horrible diction and it's hard to tell the difference between b, c, d, and e when a particularly lazy lipped person says these letters (in addition to non-hex letters like g, p, t, and v). Then they use their own ambiguous phonetic system (b as in ball, c as in call, d as in doll will confuse anyone trying to distinguish between the three). Oh and…

DTMF is actually 16 digits: 1 2 3 A 4 5 6 B 7 8 9 C * 0 # D. While most keypads don't have A B C D buttons, * and # are pretty much everywhere, and easy to distinguish, so adopting base-12 would be relatively easy.
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