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Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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> You can't get 125 million folks into this address space? I think some people are now using a new card number per transaction , with these disposable card numbers, aren't they?

We are lucky they don't use a disposable IPv4 address per page, that would break the Internet /s.

Not really sure what point you're trying to make, sorry?

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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The problem with that is the purpose of a credit card system is convenience, especially the convenience involved in being able to represent the identifier in an easily compact manner. When it's a few groups of digits, I can print it onto a card or piece of paper, and just plug the digits in whenever I need to validate the number and run a transaction. You can't do that with a token. What happens when I want to use my…

Many of those use cases probably shouldn’t be supported. It would cut down on fraud if we disallowed card not present transactions on unknown devices.

That's an ideal. You have to be reasonable with the expectation that people are going to want to use their card in places where it isn't securely convenient to do so. Otherwise, you will end up creating a niche with no mass market appeal, and there's really no point in developing out infrastructure unless you're replacing the old one completely. Again, credit cards exist for convenience. If it's security you're aiming for, you're targeting the wrong market.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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Beyond assigning IINs more judiciously, credit rating systems could drop the concept of "more accounts = better credit". It would discourage people from opening 7 credit cards to raise scores, when 1 or 2 would do.

I have 4 unused cards I keep open just for this, seems a complete waste for every body.

Make sure to use them every once in awhile, otherwise the issuer may close them.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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> that I set online to exactly the amount I'm spending Sounds like it would take longer at checkout though?

Lots of my spending is online. Like everybody else, considering Amazon's success.

Ok... sounds like it would take longer at online checkout then.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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This is a ridiculous story. Japan has a population of 150M. If you can't give folks a number from SIXTEEN digits - something is wrong with the folks giving out the numbers. Some answers to the excuses. The 6 digits at front, if a company legit runs out of numbers, ask for another prefix. The reality. Instead of using the numbers properly (random ID to tie to a user account) they are probably putting some kind of stru…

Wouldn't the Luhn algorithm checksum [1] limit the available digits? It is specifically there so a one-off error doesn't result in a charge going to a valid other account. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhn_algorithm

I believe that’s what they mean by “check digit”.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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Only slightly more insane than keeping the handy 4x4 format, but extending it from base 10 numbers to base 16, which I would really love to see :D

They would need to EOL over-the-phone payments to do this. People have horrible diction and it's hard to tell the difference between b, c, d, and e when a particularly lazy lipped person says these letters (in addition to non-hex letters like g, p, t, and v). Then they use their own ambiguous phonetic system (b as in ball, c as in call, d as in doll will confuse anyone trying to distinguish between the three). Oh and…

Why don’t we teach schoolchildren the NATO phonetic alphabet? Seems like it wouldn’t take that long, and it would be a useful skill for their whole life.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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This is a ridiculous story. Japan has a population of 150M. If you can't give folks a number from SIXTEEN digits - something is wrong with the folks giving out the numbers. Some answers to the excuses. The 6 digits at front, if a company legit runs out of numbers, ask for another prefix. The reality. Instead of using the numbers properly (random ID to tie to a user account) they are probably putting some kind of stru…

Your comment is ridiculous. The number has structure, you don't get random IP addresses if you're a company. You get a block, likewise card issuers get a block (BIN - Bank Identifier Number) then add in the checksum, that definitely means you can't just assign random number. Imagine you have a random number. Visa get's the number and a charge for $20. Who owns it? They now have to search through all possible issued card number to find the card issuer. However with the BIN, they can do a pattern matching and send the info to the card issuer to determine if the card is valid. Think of the implementation details, those before you are not idiots as much as you may think they didn't think things through.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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Lots of my spending is online. Like everybody else, considering Amazon's success.

Ok... sounds like it would take longer at online checkout then.

Unless somebody wrote an app, or the store cooperated like PayPal, or 100 other things.

Lets try to imagine a better future?

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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This is a ridiculous story. Japan has a population of 150M. If you can't give folks a number from SIXTEEN digits - something is wrong with the folks giving out the numbers. Some answers to the excuses. The 6 digits at front, if a company legit runs out of numbers, ask for another prefix. The reality. Instead of using the numbers properly (random ID to tie to a user account) they are probably putting some kind of stru…

You know that not every possible number is used, right? It's much more sparse than that.
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