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Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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I'm always frustrated by journalists who never mention the case number (why not?), let alone link to a copy of the actual ruling. Here's a PDF of the ruling, I think it's worth reading: https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/21814075/c...

Same with all those news articles about "studies" - Why can't I find the DOI on there? The study is the most important part

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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You don't want the full capabilities of your hardware you paid for? The Nvidia Jetson is the controllable version of the switch and it's much weaker. You don't want your switch to play games and be a hardware accelerator? You don't want the best silicon to run your own software?

The capabilities that I paid for are what I got. I did not pay for a device that lets me install whatever app or widget I want. I paid for an iPhone knowing exactly what it was and wasn't capable of and I paid for that specifically because I know that Apple doesn't need to dedicate resources to anything other than my device. Taking that away changes the entire ecosystem and all the benefits presented by it. Look at M…

So, will you be happy if the government asks Apple to remove every messenger that allows encryption? That's what users in China get.

Also, it's nice that you mention Macs. On Macs, you can install any app bypassing the AppStore. As it should be on a proper computer, and iPhone IS a computer.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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They were going to be.

No they weren't. You can download and use the developer tools without a developer account.

You must agree to the developer program's EULA to use Apple's developer tools, as well as sign your code.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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> they're not illegal We'll see! Until then, revoking certificates is retaliation. > you have a duty not to enter into them in the first place This isn't how contract law works.

>you have the duty to violate illegal developer agreements. Neither is this if you're admitting the legality hasn't been determined.

You're saying that they breached their contract - he's just saying that the contract may not have been valid in the first place, thus it cannot be enforced/breached. We don't know if their contract was valid, that's up to the court(thats why this article is here).

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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A victory for sanity. Apple threatening developmental licenses and anyone who used the Unreal Engine was nothing short of mafia-esque, and just as obviously Fortnite being restored to the app store is a matter for Epic's lawsuit against apple.

Isn't this still an Epic issue? Basically if Epic delivered their engine to their customers as source code and NOT as a compiled binary couldn't the customers build the engine and include it in their App Store submission? But since Epic is trying to deliver the compiled engine to their customer (signed with their dev keys) thats where the problem comes in?

Epic already does provide source code for the engine. It's on GitHub and access is essentially provided under the terms for shipping any UE based product.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Yes, I agree with the first half of what you said, which is not was the OP said. As for the rest, I have seen far too many “this time, Apple is doomed for real” events to agree with your last sentence. Apple could stop selling any device today and still be around in 10 years.

Remember when AT&T (“Ma Bell”) was broken up (“Divestiture”) into a bunch of independent companies (regional bells, RBOCs, “Baby Bells”) as Bell Labs spun off into a set of companies? Yeah, the AT&T you see today is actually the largest of those RBOCs (PacBell) that went around and reacquired all of the other RBOCS and changed its name to AT&T (leaving the original AT&T using the name for its continuing backhaul/whol…

No, it didn't. Verizon is modern Bell Atlantic and also went about buying up RBOCs. Your point is valid, they did just remonopolize, but it's not like AT&T is just AT&T again.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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How can epic develop the engine if they are banned form using Apple development tools.

They aren't banned from using Apple's development tools.

https://www.scribd.com/document/473210410/Email-exhibits-fro...

Exhibit I

From Apple to Epic:

"If your membership is terminated, you may no longer submit apps to the App Store, and your apps still available for distribution will be removed. You will also lose access to the following programs, technologies, and capabilities:

- All Apple software, SDKs, APIs, and developer tools"

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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The capabilities that I paid for are what I got. I did not pay for a device that lets me install whatever app or widget I want. I paid for an iPhone knowing exactly what it was and wasn't capable of and I paid for that specifically because I know that Apple doesn't need to dedicate resources to anything other than my device. Taking that away changes the entire ecosystem and all the benefits presented by it. Look at M…

So, will you be happy if the government asks Apple to remove every messenger that allows encryption? That's what users in China get. Also, it's nice that you mention Macs. On Macs, you can install any app bypassing the AppStore. As it should be on a proper computer, and iPhone IS a computer.

Have you seen what the average Mac user’s computer often looks like? It’s often a mess of five years old Adobe flash update messages, and adware like MacKeeper. I know because I’ve had to spend hours cleaning this trash up from machines belonging to friends and family. Meanwhile this has never been an issue on the iPhone.

The lack of UX-degrading software on the iPad is also the primary reason why I’ve been pushing my friends and family away from the Mac and onto the iPad. With the limited software ecosystem of the iPad, there’s far less things for them to screw up on the Mac.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

#439

A victory for sanity. Apple threatening developmental licenses and anyone who used the Unreal Engine was nothing short of mafia-esque, and just as obviously Fortnite being restored to the app store is a matter for Epic's lawsuit against apple.

Apple never threatened the developmental licenses of anyone using the Unreal Engine. They said they would remove all Epic access to developer program tools (e.g. beta access to operating systems and Xcode) and to partner programs (presumably for advance hardware testing).

This would have a second-hand effect on Epic's ability to provide timely updates to their engine and remain competitive to alternatives like Unreal on the platform. It also would likely lead to a lot of problems with Epic's Game Store on Mac no longer being properly signed.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

#440

I still wonder why so many people buy devices, where the only software you could run has to be approved by the manufacturer. I think we should speak more about this fact, so that people think twice before they buy some device. I only make websites, but I am worried, that at some point, Apple would want me to pay them, so that my website is openable on their devices.

It's a balancing act. I trust Apple to keep my security and privacy as a priority, and to keep my iOS device up to date and secure, but I can't install things from outside the app store.

I don't trust the android ecosystem in the slightest bit (to the extent that I don't like people connecting to my wifi with their random android devices) to be secure, but I could install whatever I wanted.

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