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Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by zmix »

deergomoo wrote: post #40
jwr wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Recurring monthly: NEVER. [...] Unless this is $9.99 or lower, I would never consider. And yet, you likely expect regular updates when the OS is updated, a constant stream of bug fixes, and (probably) some improvements. In other words, you expect regular development for a one-time fee of $9.99 or lower. $9.99 is the cost of about 5 minutes of a skilled programmer's time. This is not realistic and definitely not sus…

One of the worst things mobile did was completely destroy reasonable expectations for software pricing. Don't get me wrong, it's good that more software is more accessible to more people than ever before, but for a long time we've been at the point where it's very difficult for an app that costs anything up front to succeed on mobile.

> One of the worst things mobile did was completely destroy reasonable expectations for software pricing.

But hasn't the market for app sales grown in sheer volume due to the AppStores reaching and channeling millions and millions of potential customers?

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by ChefboyOG »

alphagrep12345 wrote: post #57

Why is there an abundance of note taking apps? Why is it that this particular category of software/apps sees a new one every now and then?

TL;DR: I think this is down to the convergence of some perennial dynamics, and the recent success of apps like Notion, as another commenter alluded to.

I've spent a lot of time thinking about this. As someone for whom research + writing are a primary component of daily work, I'm probably a little too willing to play with new note taking apps :)

I think the recent surge is actually a convergence of several different trends:

1. There's always been a decent volume of new note taking apps, in large part because of how tempting they are as a project. They feel both approachable (until you try to build one), and they're such a familiar-yet-blank canvas that it's incredibly easy to come up with a "tweak" that makes yours different.

2. The love people have for Notion, and the so-far success of the company, have made it a more attractive niche for more serious startup-y people. Where you used to see more solo projects, you're now seeing a decent amount of apps built by full teams.

3. Human nature. While I am the first to evangelize the impact taking better notes can have, it has also been my experience that note taking systems are the ultimate bike shed problem. It's easy to tinker with them and try new apps out, believing that you'll find the perfect system that will unlock your inner genius. I think a lot of project management and productivity software has a similar thing going.

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by lghh »

jwr wrote: post #27
system2 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One time only: Yes. Recurring monthly: NEVER. There are bazillion apps out there, mostly free or comes with free tier. Unless this is $9.99 or lower, I would never consider. Just my opinion.

> Recurring monthly: NEVER. [...] Unless this is $9.99 or lower, I would never consider. And yet, you likely expect regular updates when the OS is updated, a constant stream of bug fixes, and (probably) some improvements. In other words, you expect regular development for a one-time fee of $9.99 or lower. $9.99 is the cost of about 5 minutes of a skilled programmer's time. This is not realistic and definitely not sus…

Pricing isn't based on the labor involved, it's based on supply and demand. Turns out, there's a lot of supply for note taking apps no matter how much labor it takes to make a good one.

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by mark_l_watson »

hboon wrote: post #52
mark_l_watson wrote: post #49

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Me to, then I just stopped. The enabling moment came when I found a free app that backs up Apple Notes in a portable format. I use the iCloud.com web app on my Linux laptops to access notes, and on my copious Apple devices, the Notes app is easy to use. Some sad history: I spent years carefully making notes and organizing material in Evernote but realized that I spent much more time curating material than ever using…

Can you share that app that backs up Apple Notes?

The app is called Exporter.

Try searching the macOS store for “Exporter Notes”

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by r-w »

emaro wrote: post #8

Looks pretty clean. I wonder about a) pricing / distribution model and b) compatibility with other tools i.e. if you use open formats. Note: Displaying email addresses in uppercase is bad UX, since emails are mostly, but not always case insensitive.

When specifically are email addresses case-sensitive?

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by Otek »

chank wrote: post #41
krono wrote: post #25

All I want is basically Notion with an API, and the ability to self-host our data to mitigate security and privacy concerns.

All I want is Notion with data privacy like Bear.

Exactly, something like Notion that keeps my data encrypted on my iCloud like Bear with native iOS and Mac app similar to Things3. I could easily pay 100 bucks for this kind of setup.

Re: Clover: An all-in-one notebook

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Post by r-w »

limomium wrote: post #10
sfuller808 wrote: post #4

Looks well thought out. Look forward to trying it out.

"Well thought out"? There are TWO features listed, some kind of non-straight line writing thing, and the ability to change color. No mention of literally anything else - like, if your notes are stored in accessible format offline or if they are lost when the business goes belly up. Never, ever take notes into a proprietary cloud silo!

I also look forward to trying it out :) I'm not committing to taking all my important notes into it, but I'm interested in the product. Maybe I'm naïve, but I think there's progress to be made on the front of proactive note-taking apps, and I'm excited to see what this app has to offer.
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