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Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by ericmay »

swiley wrote: post #61
ericmay wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you just look at the PC ecosystem and you can see the nightmare. Like others,I prefer Apple to have a tightly controlled App Store and believe that the benefits far outweigh the ability to install software from a 3rd party App Store. For example, Apple requiring Sign In with Apple (when signin with Google/Facebook are implemented) where you can hide your email address. That’s not possible with multiple app stor…

Here are just some reasons why android isn’t an alternative: Most ship with maleware that can’t be removed (or can’t be removed without giving up on updating the OS.) Android still doesn’t let you run a lot of 3rd party software (the latest version breaks Termux for example.) Apple’s anticompetitive behavior also ties people to the platform (iMessage is a great example of this. My family won’t use any other IM app so…

Ok. So the trade off here is that you have to use the App Store to avoid those things. It’s not a big deal.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by dep_b »

pavlov wrote: post #16
misnome wrote: post #12

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Aren’t the tools freely available without a developer account?

While you can download Xcode with just a regular Apple ID, you can't really test your code on an iOS device without an Apple developer account, so the usefulness would be limited.

I have to use my own developer account basically every time I build an app for a customer until they got around to either inviting me to their team or creating their personal developer account.

Unless Epic is filled with developers that never ever launched their own application not being part of the Epic developer account is an annoyance (and a familiar one for most iOS developers) at most.

You don't need to deploy an SDK the only thing you would deploy are test builds of games that use the updated SDK.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by protomyth »

ericmay wrote: post #51
badsectoracula wrote: post #47

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How is having control over what you can install on your own PC and being in a position to actually choose from where to install it a nightmare? Is being in control and having choice a nightmare?

Well, you just look at the PC ecosystem and you can see the nightmare. Like others,I prefer Apple to have a tightly controlled App Store and believe that the benefits far outweigh the ability to install software from a 3rd party App Store. For example, Apple requiring Sign In with Apple (when signin with Google/Facebook are implemented) where you can hide your email address. That’s not possible with multiple app stor…

You don’t buy a Corolla and get mad that you can’t off road with it, do you?

No, but I would get mad if the manufacturer told me what brand of gas I could buy and what roads I could drive on.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by ericmay »

Waterfall wrote: post #78
ericmay wrote: post #71

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No I don’t want any of that. I want the iPhone as-is.

You understand why others find it strange you don't and why they do though, right?

I think it’s strange that others (a small subset of people) want to take something great and ruin it. I understand that someone wants to tinker with their phone, but in that case that’s just not what an iPhone is for. It never has been.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by ericmay »

protomyth wrote: post #83
ericmay wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you just look at the PC ecosystem and you can see the nightmare. Like others,I prefer Apple to have a tightly controlled App Store and believe that the benefits far outweigh the ability to install software from a 3rd party App Store. For example, Apple requiring Sign In with Apple (when signin with Google/Facebook are implemented) where you can hide your email address. That’s not possible with multiple app stor…

You don’t buy a Corolla and get mad that you can’t off road with it, do you? No, but I would get mad if the manufacturer told me what brand of gas I could buy and what roads I could drive on.

Then you’d buy a different car. I’m happy to use the specific gas and roads. I buy it knowing that I’m getting the benefits of that specific gas and road with the trade off that I can’t use whatever gas and roads I want.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by cwhiz »

IvanK_net wrote: post #20

I still wonder why so many people buy devices, where the only software you could run has to be approved by the manufacturer. I think we should speak more about this fact, so that people think twice before they buy some device. I only make websites, but I am worried, that at some point, Apple would want me to pay them, so that my website is openable on their devices.

Are you talking about the Xbox, PS4, and Nintendo Switch?

Oh, the iPhone? Yeah people don’t care. Having Apple vet apps is a benefit, not a curse.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by klmadfejno »

kergonath wrote: post #54
modeless wrote: post #24

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Blocking Epic from developing Unreal Engine is a threat to anyone using it.

Come on. “We’ll remove your license if you keep misbehaving” is in no way similar to “we’ll go after your users and remove their license”. It’s a threat in the long term, if Epic and Apple cannot negotiate something satisfying (which they will eventually, there’s just too much to lose for both of them), but let’s keep some perspective.

If Apple does not allow Epic to develop Unreal Engine, and Unreal Engine 5 is subsequently not released for Apple computers, that feels like a substantial "threat to anyone using it" to me.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by dividedbyzero »

raxxorrax wrote: post #69
dgellow wrote: post #22

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Even if that's the case, a legal and economics competition between those block owners sounds like a positive thing! A more dynamic market is what I want as a developer and consumer.

Heh, I don't see anything dynamic here. You basically choose between two prison cells instead of having an open market where the platform isn't more than a side note. You can just have no block owners at all. Having two competing kings fighting over the throne isn't "dynamic" democracy.

What would "dynamic" look like for mobile platforms and app stores?

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by anoncake »

ericmay wrote: post #51
badsectoracula wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is having control over what you can install on your own PC and being in a position to actually choose from where to install it a nightmare? Is being in control and having choice a nightmare?

Well, you just look at the PC ecosystem and you can see the nightmare. Like others,I prefer Apple to have a tightly controlled App Store and believe that the benefits far outweigh the ability to install software from a 3rd party App Store. For example, Apple requiring Sign In with Apple (when signin with Google/Facebook are implemented) where you can hide your email address. That’s not possible with multiple app stor…

> You don’t buy a Corolla and get mad that you can’t off road with it, do you?

That is not an artificial restriction. If you take it off road, it will perform as car not designed to be taking off road does. It won't refuse to leave the road to protect Toyota's brand.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by m12k »

raxxorrax wrote: post #69
dgellow wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if that's the case, a legal and economics competition between those block owners sounds like a positive thing! A more dynamic market is what I want as a developer and consumer.

Heh, I don't see anything dynamic here. You basically choose between two prison cells instead of having an open market where the platform isn't more than a side note. You can just have no block owners at all. Having two competing kings fighting over the throne isn't "dynamic" democracy.

If Epic wins their lawsuit and Apple is forced to allow sideloading/other app stores, is that a move toward a more open market?
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