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Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by swiley »

ericmay wrote: post #51
badsectoracula wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is having control over what you can install on your own PC and being in a position to actually choose from where to install it a nightmare? Is being in control and having choice a nightmare?

Well, you just look at the PC ecosystem and you can see the nightmare. Like others,I prefer Apple to have a tightly controlled App Store and believe that the benefits far outweigh the ability to install software from a 3rd party App Store. For example, Apple requiring Sign In with Apple (when signin with Google/Facebook are implemented) where you can hide your email address. That’s not possible with multiple app stor…

Here are just some reasons why android isn’t an alternative:

Most ship with maleware that can’t be removed (or can’t be removed without giving up on updating the OS.)

Android still doesn’t let you run a lot of 3rd party software (the latest version breaks Termux for example.)

Apple’s anticompetitive behavior also ties people to the platform (iMessage is a great example of this. My family won’t use any other IM app so even if I buy another phone (which I have, it’s supposed to arrive in September) I’ll have to keep my iPhone just to talk to them.)

Finally the hardware is just bad. Qualcomm does not make nice SOCs (IMO) but it could be just because the software they provide with them is complete garbage. There’s no alternative in the US either.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by jug »

IvanK_net wrote: post #20

I still wonder why so many people buy devices, where the only software you could run has to be approved by the manufacturer. I think we should speak more about this fact, so that people think twice before they buy some device. I only make websites, but I am worried, that at some point, Apple would want me to pay them, so that my website is openable on their devices.

So the only realistic alternative is Android and that one is funded by an advertising company eager to sell your habits at every opportunity.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by gtsteve »

kergonath wrote: post #52
causality0 wrote: post #5

A victory for sanity. Apple threatening developmental licenses and anyone who used the Unreal Engine was nothing short of mafia-esque, and just as obviously Fortnite being restored to the app store is a matter for Epic's lawsuit against apple.

AFAIK they did not threaten to remove licenses for companies using the Unreal Engine. Just Epic’s.

Yes but Epic still needs those licenses to support those companies and continue to develop the engine. Regardless of the other matter going on, it looks punitive to me. I think when we look back on this event in 5-10 years' time, we'll see this as a serious misstep by Apple.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by badsectoracula »

ericmay wrote: post #51
badsectoracula wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is having control over what you can install on your own PC and being in a position to actually choose from where to install it a nightmare? Is being in control and having choice a nightmare?

Well, you just look at the PC ecosystem and you can see the nightmare. Like others,I prefer Apple to have a tightly controlled App Store and believe that the benefits far outweigh the ability to install software from a 3rd party App Store. For example, Apple requiring Sign In with Apple (when signin with Google/Facebook are implemented) where you can hide your email address. That’s not possible with multiple app stor…

I do not see a nightmare, that is the thing - why do you see one?

What you describe is possible with multiple app stores and allowing 3rd party apps - you just do not use those other stores and apps. Nobody is forcing you to use a 3rd party app store, but Apple is forcing everyone to go through their store.

You can keep your tightly controlled experience by not using anything else than Apple - but that doesn't mean everyone has to be forced to do the same thing.

> You don’t buy a Corolla and get mad that you can’t off road with it, do you?

99.9% of the time such comparisons ignore details and derail discussion, so they aren't very helpful.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by badsectoracula »

msh wrote: post #59
badsectoracula wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is having control over what you can install on your own PC and being in a position to actually choose from where to install it a nightmare? Is being in control and having choice a nightmare?

Its a security nightmare.

Ah oh, the "security" power word has been brought up, time to turn off our brains and accept everything i guess :-(

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by sjwright »

IvanK_net wrote: post #20

I still wonder why so many people buy devices, where the only software you could run has to be approved by the manufacturer. I think we should speak more about this fact, so that people think twice before they buy some device. I only make websites, but I am worried, that at some point, Apple would want me to pay them, so that my website is openable on their devices.

For me it’s because that approval process is highly valuable to me as a consumer, and especially as the family member of other consumers. I happily pay more per device to have Apple as the systems administrator for my device.

If I want software freedom I’ll use my laptop.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by Waterfall »

ericmay wrote: post #53
badsectoracula wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but why? Why not demand to be able to have control over your own devices?

Because we don’t want control over our Nintendo switch or iPhone.

You don't want the full capabilities of your hardware you paid for? The Nvidia Jetson is the controllable version of the switch and it's much weaker. You don't want your switch to play games and be a hardware accelerator? You don't want the best silicon to run your own software?

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by ED_Radish »

TheNorthman wrote: post #49
banachtarski wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone that works at an Unreal Engine shop, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

As someone that works at an Unreal Engine shop, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

As someone that doesn't work at an Unreal Engine shop, I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by raxxorrax »

dgellow wrote: post #22
pjmlp wrote: post #19

Epic is just the new gang in town establishing themselves while trying to get some shops under their control, by playing being against the long time block owners.

Even if that's the case, a legal and economics competition between those block owners sounds like a positive thing! A more dynamic market is what I want as a developer and consumer.

Heh, I don't see anything dynamic here. You basically choose between two prison cells instead of having an open market where the platform isn't more than a side note.

You can just have no block owners at all. Having two competing kings fighting over the throne isn't "dynamic" democracy.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by ericmay »

badsectoracula wrote: post #57
ericmay wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because we don’t want control over our Nintendo switch or iPhone.

But why? What is the benefit of giving up that control?

I lose the App Store, Apple leading the way by enforcing privacy standards, and many other things. Having control isn’t always a good thing. The benefit of having control here “download another App Store” isn’t much of a benefit to me. I love the way things are. That’s why I have an iPhone.
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