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Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren’t the tools freely available without a developer account?

The tools are. On-device testing isn't.

It is, but it is quite limited. I don't think you can really "distribute" your app in any meaningful sense of the word, and you also have to reinstall it every seven days.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Could someone explain what was Apple trying to do? I really don't get their position in this story. It seemed obvious that trying to completely block Epic's Unreal Engine would be causing more legal issues. What is their strategy here? It feels that they actually wanted things to escalate, though I cannot see why they would do this.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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post #32

Could someone explain what was Apple trying to do? I really don't get their position in this story. It seemed obvious that trying to completely block Epic's Unreal Engine would be causing more legal issues. What is their strategy here? It feels that they actually wanted things to escalate, though I cannot see why they would do this.

Each app or game, which runs on iOS devices, should pay Apple 30% of their revenue. These are billions of dollars each year.

The Fortnite game wanted to avoid this fee of 30% by making the game free to download, but the users could pay directly inside the game (the payment mechanism did not go through Apple).

If more apps or games do that, Apple would lose a lot of money. Also, Apple App store is the only way to get apps and games into iOS devices. So if I make a game and I want you to play it, and you know me and my game and you want to play it too, Apple is a "third person", who can stop us from doing so.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true. Epic which developers Fortnite isn't the same holding company which developers UE. If Epic's game developers accounts are closed it should have no affect to the Epic accounts for UE. * Epic Games, Inc. develops Fortnite and has an Apple developer account that it is released under. * Epic Games International, S.a.r.l. develops Unreal Engine and holds its own Apple developer account. So if the accounts…

This is a quote from the letter that Apple sent to Epic; " If your membership is terminated, you may no longer submit apps to the App Store, and your apps still available for distribution will be removed. You will also lose access to the following programs, technologies, and capabilities: " [...] " - Engineering efforts to improve hardware and software performance of Unreal Engine on Mac and iOS hardware; optimize Un…

Thanks for sharing. Ah so Epic couples it all together.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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post #32

Could someone explain what was Apple trying to do? I really don't get their position in this story. It seemed obvious that trying to completely block Epic's Unreal Engine would be causing more legal issues. What is their strategy here? It feels that they actually wanted things to escalate, though I cannot see why they would do this.

Each app or game, which runs on iOS devices, should pay Apple 30% of their revenue. These are billions of dollars each year. The Fortnite game wanted to avoid this fee of 30% by making the game free to download, but the users could pay directly inside the game (the payment mechanism did not go through Apple). If more apps or games do that, Apple would lose a lot of money. Also, Apple App store is the only way to get…

You're talking about the reason Apple had to remove Fortnite following Epic Game's decision to add their own payment option. That doesn't explain why they reacted so aggressively towards Epic's Unreal Engine by threatening to block it.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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post #9

A victory for sanity. Apple threatening developmental licenses and anyone who used the Unreal Engine was nothing short of mafia-esque, and just as obviously Fortnite being restored to the app store is a matter for Epic's lawsuit against apple.

This is arguably false. The only license that would’ve been withdrawn was Epic’s. Not a single other developer using UE was targeted directly by Apple.

As someone that works at an Unreal Engine shop, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a quote from the letter that Apple sent to Epic; " If your membership is terminated, you may no longer submit apps to the App Store, and your apps still available for distribution will be removed. You will also lose access to the following programs, technologies, and capabilities: " [...] " - Engineering efforts to improve hardware and software performance of Unreal Engine on Mac and iOS hardware; optimize Un…

Thanks for sharing. Ah so Epic couples it all together.

Not just Epic. Apple do. If you think Epic Games and Epic International are wholly separate then telling Epic Games "Engineering efforts to improve hardware and software performance of Unreal Engine on Mac and iOS hardware;" would make no sense. It's very clear that Apple are threatening to do things that impact all of Epic in that letter.

What's less clear is whether or not Apple would have actually revoked Epic International's developer accounts. You might like to give Apple the benefit of the doubt, but it's ambiguous enough for a court to issue a ruling that Apple aren't allowed to do that. This is obviously not just Epic catastrophizing if the court agreed with them and ruled in their favor on that part.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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I still wonder why so many people buy devices, where the only software you could run has to be approved by the manufacturer. I think we should speak more about this fact, so that people think twice before they buy some device. I only make websites, but I am worried, that at some point, Apple would want me to pay them, so that my website is openable on their devices.

Lack of realistic choice. If you are the average consumer looking to buy a smartphone, you have the choice of either Android or Apple. You get more choice with a PC, to an extent - the average consumer is going to get to choose between Microsoft, something like a chromebook, or apple. (Most folks buy mainstream, widely available products that work out of the box). I'm not sure the market for non-standard products is…

Windows, Apple and Chromebooks are all proprietary platforms. With PC you also have the choice to install Linux, which is the categorical difference. With smartphones there's not really an open choice available.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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post #19

Epic is just the new gang in town establishing themselves while trying to get some shops under their control, by playing being against the long time block owners.

They're trying to establish a precedent that would limit all monopolistic behaviour, including theirs. Obviously their motivations are to make it easier for them to compete, but it won't make it easier for them to become a monopoly.
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