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Considering that I use at least four languages[1] every day, and am thankful[2] to be living someplace that has not yet been completely overrun by chains and big box stores, I'd argue the assertion of a "heterogenous" US might need defending. On the original question: I think switzerland is nice for two reasons. (a) we didn't blow ourselves up twice last century, which meant that even with little absolute growth we w…

uh yeah you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone that a country that is majority white isn't homogeneous because multiple languages are spoken when I speak of homogeneity I'm talking about race, immigration, etc.

> uh yeah you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone that a country that is majority white isn't homogeneous because multiple languages are spoken

Well, he convinced me. (Largely because I have lived in countries with communities like that).

[Out of curiosity, does my testimony change your mind?]

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uh yeah you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone that a country that is majority white isn't homogeneous because multiple languages are spoken when I speak of homogeneity I'm talking about race, immigration, etc.

> uh yeah you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone that a country that is majority white isn't homogeneous because multiple languages are spoken Well, he convinced me. (Largely because I have lived in countries with communities like that). [Out of curiosity, does my testimony change your mind?]

no - because Switzerland's population is 70% Swiss, with the remaining mostly from nearby countries that have similar values and complexions. Just because you grow up learning various languages does not mean your society is heterogeneous.

A society where every learns 4 languages and looks the same is homogenous.

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The infrastructure one really stands out to me, and I'm always astounded by it. Adding yet another example - The Golden Gate Bridge was built in 4 years for $1.6 billion (inflation adjusted), under budget and ahead of schedule. 11 workers died during construction, a safety record matching or surpassing most modern projects. In contrast, a project to install suicide nets around the bridge has been under development fo…

I sometimes wonder about this too. When you walk through European cities and look at the decoration of those old houses, they were all handcrafted. I think it would be too expensive now to build those same houses with handcrafted details. Same with all those old chairs, where some woodworker sculpted everything by hand. You can't imagine that right now anymore. Is it because we throw away stuff after 5 years? Or beca…

I have not looked up the numbers, but would guess wealth inequality is a big part of it. Those houses were built for people who were richer, and they had people working for them who were poorer, than is common nowadays in the west.

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> uh yeah you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone that a country that is majority white isn't homogeneous because multiple languages are spoken Well, he convinced me. (Largely because I have lived in countries with communities like that). [Out of curiosity, does my testimony change your mind?]

no - because Switzerland's population is 70% Swiss, with the remaining mostly from nearby countries that have similar values and complexions. Just because you grow up learning various languages does not mean your society is heterogeneous. A society where every learns 4 languages and looks the same is homogenous.

I didn't live within 10 000km of Switzerland.

Stop making silly assumptions to narrow the beautiful diversity of the world so as to fit your polemic.

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no - because Switzerland's population is 70% Swiss, with the remaining mostly from nearby countries that have similar values and complexions. Just because you grow up learning various languages does not mean your society is heterogeneous. A society where every learns 4 languages and looks the same is homogenous.

I didn't live within 10 000km of Switzerland. Stop making silly assumptions to narrow the beautiful diversity of the world so as to fit your polemic.

I can't believe I'm actually arguing with someone on whether Switzerland is considered a homogeneous society or not but ok.

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A few of interest to me: 1. Is steelmanned buddhism wrong in important ways? Can some sort of minimal set of claims version of buddhism even be steelmanned consistently? 2. The joint-stock corporation appears to be the most scalable coordination tech ever invented. What is the embedding space of the things that make it possible and what else is in the space? 3. Does most progress come from pairs of people in high ban…

Can you say more about the steelmanned buddhism questions? I'm interested but not clear on what you're pointing to with the term "steelmanned buddhism" or what important ways you think it might be wrong about.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm familiar with the idea of steelmanning, but not what set of buddhist ideas you're pointing to with the term "steelmanned buddhism".

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The answer linked to in Collison's question, https://medium.com/@arnoldkling/what-gets-expensive-and-why-... , is really insightful and interesting in my opinion and goes to a deep level of analysis.

Exactly- people don't/can't really comparison shop when it comes to medical procedures. They don't know how good their doctors are at it, this is all unpublished information. Similarly college textbooks- if your professors assigns work from their book, then you need that book. You can't competitively shop on that. As the response points out, all of these groups and then backed by accreditation systems to limit new en…

This is especially true in the U.S. There's no market as such because there's no pricing signals. The barriers to entry are super high: education and licensing of doctors is extremely restrictive, while construction of hospitals requires prior political approval ("certificate of need"!). All the HMO/PPO in-network thing also adds opaqueness, and discourages any negotiation by the consumer. This is madness.

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The infrastructure one really stands out to me, and I'm always astounded by it. Adding yet another example - The Golden Gate Bridge was built in 4 years for $1.6 billion (inflation adjusted), under budget and ahead of schedule. 11 workers died during construction, a safety record matching or surpassing most modern projects. In contrast, a project to install suicide nets around the bridge has been under development fo…

I would bet it’s tied to the neglect of work in both real wages and respect for workers. We no longer take pride in work. We pay people less and make them compete for the mere privilege of holding a job. Then, we tell them what to do, disrespecting their intelligence and autonomy and ability to make something they can be proud of. For the brilliance of this strategy, we pay leaders ten times more than we did before,…

> We pay people less and make them compete for the mere privilege of holding a job. Then, we tell them what to do, disrespecting their intelligence and autonomy and ability to make something they can be proud of.

This fully embodies the experience of the modern-day Agile experience in software development. "I know you're a senior but I (a non-technical Product Manager/Scrum Master) am going to have to check in multiple times a day and dictate every single feature and how it's built."

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I didn't live within 10 000km of Switzerland. Stop making silly assumptions to narrow the beautiful diversity of the world so as to fit your polemic.

I can't believe I'm actually arguing with someone on whether Switzerland is considered a homogeneous society or not but ok.

You aren't: you are trying to defend the silly notion that a group of white people are homogenous even if they have different languages.

You state such a thing (diversity) cannot EVER possibly be true. The OP and I testify otherwise. From lived experience - mine with nothing to do with Switerland (or Canada in case you are guessing).

Consider today then whether the Serbo-Croation war could ever be possible under your model of reality (who would fight who?). Except it was.

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