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Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by freyr »

Aperocky wrote: post #130
colordrops wrote: post #119

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You are completely mistaken if you think simply complying with local laws will allow you to succeed in the Chinese market.

I don't think that, nor do I think that is true anywhere on this planet.

The demands China makes of foreign companies are obscene.

While any company's welfare can suffer when diplomatic relations between nations sour, as evidenced by TikTok, there really is no comparison between operating a business in China and operating in most other developed markets.

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Post by aliswe »

strogonoff wrote: post #164
eddieplan9 wrote: post #151

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Parent’s keyword is “allow to succeed”, not “succeed”. I always warn people about false equivalence when it comes to China. The laws and rules in China are not the same concept as laws and rules in the West. There are implicit rules or 潜规则. The rules and laws are only there to make things look legit. There are very few places on earth where you can be forced into citizenship so you can be deprived of consular access…

This is insane. China abducts a Swedish citizen; recognizes and prosecutes him as citizen of China, denying Sweden access to the trial (note that China does not even have double citizenship); when concerns are raised over violations of Vienna treaty on consular relations—and hey, by this logic China can abduct anyone anywhere—China declares that (I am not joking) consular relations are on hold until COVID-19 is resol…

It's not like he is wholly unrelated to China, though. This is kinda similar to Davit Isak and probably numerous other people

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Post by frequentnapper »

croes wrote: post #141
dx87 wrote: post #135

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"Turn the other cheek" sounds nice in grade school and self-help blogs, but you can't just let yourself get taken advantage of in order to maintain some arbitrary moral high ground.

It has nothing to do with moral high ground. It's about being the better alternative and about and free markets. But now everybody knows the US will play dirty to protect their it predominance. The way the US acted against Huawei and TikTok showed what could happen to anybody who opposes the will of the US. Even the EU now is looking for alternatives for the IT tech giants. The trust is gone.

No, it shows that the US will no longer tolerate state subsidized corporations from supplanting other corporations trying to play by the rules.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by frequentnapper »

baby wrote: post #170
prh8 wrote: post #137

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Is there benefit to setting an example that Chinese citizens would never see anyways?

believe me they see it, a couple years back you could ask Chinese people in the street what they thought of Americans and a lot would answer that they like the fact that they are more "free" and "open minded". There's a bunch of videos like that on youtube [1][2]. Nowadays I don't think people would say the same stuff[3]. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gqXLxCU-fY [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_E38TJpU6…

it doesn't matter. chinese citizen opinion doesn't matter to the chinese govt. Western companies lose by trying to play fair against the chinese companies. This is all in accordance with game theory. By trying to be nice, we will be wiped out. The only choice we have now is to fight dirty like them.

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Post by oxfordmale »

throwawayobyy wrote: post #75
oxfordmale wrote: post #44

Zuckerberg is damaging Facebook reputation. I was approached by Facebook's recruitment team, but decided not to go ahead with it given the recent negative news around this company. I predict a slow decline for Facebook, like IBM, if Zuckerberg stays on as CEO.

I work at Facebook and we have a bi-yearly satisfaction survey. Trust in zuck's management is probably the highest metric, up there with agreeing with the global mission of the company (which is to connect people). I'd say he's one of the strong reason why people stay in the company even with the non-stopping bad news cycle. Don't think that what you see outside reflects what really happens inside. What I personally…

This is what I hear very often about Facebook:

Toxic culture. Poorly designed performance reviews that lead to a competitive environment and people working towards getting a better assessment, not building better products.

Regarding the high trust in Zuck's management, the grape vine suggests you won't last long at Facebook if you do not perceive Zuck as a semi God, so that might well be a self selecting bias.

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Post by kanox »

fiblye wrote: post #134
kanox wrote: post #57

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This is not a good standard.

Americans getting involved in their own electoral process is kind of hard to consider as electoral interference. Non-Americans living outside of America using money to sway things is quite different.

No, foreigners should be completely free to campaign in elections.

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Post by oopsididitagai »

matchbok wrote: post #113
throwawayobyy wrote: post #75

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I work at Facebook and we have a bi-yearly satisfaction survey. Trust in zuck's management is probably the highest metric, up there with agreeing with the global mission of the company (which is to connect people). I'd say he's one of the strong reason why people stay in the company even with the non-stopping bad news cycle. Don't think that what you see outside reflects what really happens inside. What I personally…

Yeah, none of that matters. What matters is the harm FB is doing to the country. Only companies that do shitty things need to have that much "training". Think about that.

What kind of ignorant and baseless comment is this? Adds nothing to the discussion, provides no data and yet states a 'fact', not unlike trump, attacking a company. Did you know: 1) doctors 2) banks 3) professors Three of the most important pillars of a country, have more training hours than a random tech company. How about you quit blabbing and go back to school and learn to form proper sentences. Think about that.

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Post by remarkEon »

euudheehdy wrote: post #163
chillacy wrote: post #153

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Not the parent you're responding to but the answer I see is that in the modern understanding of geopolitics (like 19th century and onwards), "fairness" and "values" aren't considerations at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik

This is an active topic of discussion actually. In general the trinity of qualities that result in a "strong in the real way" country have been approached as realism, nationalism, and liberty. The scholarly community is currently in conflict because in the modern era one of these things is seemingly very unimportant compared to the others. Previously, it was believed that liberty contributed to economic output for a…

Please point me to some of this discussion. I'm very interested, especially if it relates to technology development and the requisite supply chains involved.

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Post by strogonoff »

aliswe wrote: post #182
strogonoff wrote: post #164

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This is insane. China abducts a Swedish citizen; recognizes and prosecutes him as citizen of China, denying Sweden access to the trial (note that China does not even have double citizenship); when concerns are raised over violations of Vienna treaty on consular relations—and hey, by this logic China can abduct anyone anywhere—China declares that (I am not joking) consular relations are on hold until COVID-19 is resol…

It's not like he is wholly unrelated to China, though. This is kinda similar to Davit Isak and probably numerous other people

I cannot locate anything about the person you refer to, but that doesn’t matter. “Not wholly unrelated” is a very weak justification for an abduction of a foreign citizen (especially where “not unrelated” means “wrote about some country’s politics”), and unilaterally declaring international consular relations “suspended”. “What about Y” does not mean X should be tolerated.

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Post by iddqd »

strogonoff wrote: post #189
aliswe wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like he is wholly unrelated to China, though. This is kinda similar to Davit Isak and probably numerous other people

I cannot locate anything about the person you refer to, but that doesn’t matter. “Not wholly unrelated” is a very weak justification for an abduction of a foreign citizen (especially where “not unrelated” means “wrote about some country’s politics”), and unilaterally declaring international consular relations “suspended”. “What about Y” does not mean X should be tolerated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawit_Isaak
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