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Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by baby »

triceratops wrote: post #70
simonsarris wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook Marketplace is better than Craigslist. Buyers have a history by default ("On Facebook since 2009" etc) which is nice.

It requires you to have a Facebook account. This by definition makes it an inferior product. I've been buying and selling stuff on Craigslist for years, never had a problem. If you're really paranoid about getting ripped off, do the transaction in the parking lot of your local police station.

I'm moving out right now and using facebook to sell out my stuff, and let me tell you, you are missing out

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by Aperocky »

holografix wrote: post #96
Aperocky wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference, facebook did not attempt to run its social media business in China, and Google voluntarily quit so it doesn't have to comply to censorship law. Meanwhile Tiktok has a US branch and is complying with laws in the US. China has a restrictive internet where if you want to operate, you have to comply with a certain set of rules that are unsavory to say the least. Facebook, Google decided to not bothe…

I get what you’re saying, it’s a very smart point of view. China has enacted absurd, oppressive laws which it interprets conveniently in favour of the party when it wants. However it wants to enjoy all the freedoms awarded to the rest of the western democratic and capitalist world, defended by their laws. It’s the old communist adage: Socialism for other, private property for me.

> interprets conveniently in favour of the party when it wants.

When the laws are written in such away you don't have to interpret it. Western companies that follows those laws like locals are fine - e.g. Apple. Apple Store/Cloud in China store all their info in Guizhou and presumably with agreed access for government on demand, just like all local businesses.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by baby »

metamet wrote: post #93
shoulderfake wrote: post #87

This is horseshit. The last thing fb wants is for nations to start banning each others technology companies. Tik tok being banned in India and USA could start a domino effect that see's fb being kicked out of many countries that follow.

How exactly is this "horseshit"? In a private dinner at the White House in late October, Mr. Zuckerberg made the case to President Trump that the rise of Chinese internet companies threatens American business, and should be a bigger concern than reining in Facebook, some of the people said. Mr. Zuckerberg discussed TikTok specifically in meetings with several senators, according to people familiar with the meetings.…

this doesn't seem to indicate that Zuckeberg said that the reaction should be to ban these apps.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by Aperocky »

holografix wrote: post #99
AlphaSite wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren’t there restrictions that the companies need to be 51% owned by local interests? And issues with IP transfer, etc.

Do you think it’s a coincidence Xiaomi keeps producing very good smartphones and other tech?

Do you think it's a coincidence that after iPhone 4 all smartphone looks more or less the same?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by person_of_color »

throwawayobyy wrote: post #75
oxfordmale wrote: post #44

Zuckerberg is damaging Facebook reputation. I was approached by Facebook's recruitment team, but decided not to go ahead with it given the recent negative news around this company. I predict a slow decline for Facebook, like IBM, if Zuckerberg stays on as CEO.

I work at Facebook and we have a bi-yearly satisfaction survey. Trust in zuck's management is probably the highest metric, up there with agreeing with the global mission of the company (which is to connect people). I'd say he's one of the strong reason why people stay in the company even with the non-stopping bad news cycle. Don't think that what you see outside reflects what really happens inside. What I personally…

Paying top of market also helps

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by Aperocky »

baby wrote: post #94
Aperocky wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference, facebook did not attempt to run its social media business in China, and Google voluntarily quit so it doesn't have to comply to censorship law. Meanwhile Tiktok has a US branch and is complying with laws in the US. China has a restrictive internet where if you want to operate, you have to comply with a certain set of rules that are unsavory to say the least. Facebook, Google decided to not bothe…

I don't think you realize how impossible it is to enter the Chinese market... Google wasted a ton of money trying to enter the US market (I recommend watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XImsSgdr4fg ), and Facebook did too. Look at how it went for Uber. If you want to give an example of a US company that is doing much better in China, it's Apple, and the sole reason is that everybody who works for the…

There's probably a way, register facebook.cn and allow censors to censor content, store everything in a data center somewhere in China, people has to use ID to register, etc.

At which point it doesn't make much sense to operate in China.

This is also precisely why TikTok is not available in mainland China, because it doesn't meet those standards.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by babl-yc »

spamizbad wrote: post #92
babl-yc wrote: post #31

Facebook is banned in China. Is it unreasonable to encourage US gvt to apply pressure for a more even playing field? I know the narrative (and majority of comments) like to hate on Zuck, so just adding another perspective for this particular situation.

If you think the American way is superior why are you so quick to throw it in the trash to adopt China's policies? Or is it your view the American way deficient and we should learn from China?

I'd love to have Chinese entrepreneurs have full access to the US markets and vice versa.

However, if the business environment becomes unfair I believe the other party has the right to push back.

I don't believe the US is going about it the best way, but I believe it has the right to push. Would much rather have clear and consistent policies as to when actions are taken and how to rectify.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by riq_ »

holografix wrote: post #81

Reality is that while China blocks Facebook, Google, etc and smartly props up their own clones, it’s “aghast” at the American protectionism and xenophobic behaviour. How dare the Americans block a Chinese app?! China is not a democracy. It’s not interested in fairness. China is playing the long game. Just like the wars of the past were fought with little toy armies of a few thousand knights and noblemen marching into…

> "fairness"

The world is more complex than that. China is not "bad" because it is not a democracy. China is "bad" because it competes with the USA.

There are other countries that are not a democracy an that are allies with the USA, like Saudi Arabia. But they are "good", apparently.

And also, just remember that the USA only supports the democracies that are aligned with the way of thinking. Just do a bit of research and see what happened to South America in the 70s' and 80's... and more recently to Bolivia.

Also, most of the products that you use today were built, at least in part, in China.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by mikemotherwell »

Aperocky wrote: post #91
holografix wrote: post #81

Reality is that while China blocks Facebook, Google, etc and smartly props up their own clones, it’s “aghast” at the American protectionism and xenophobic behaviour. How dare the Americans block a Chinese app?! China is not a democracy. It’s not interested in fairness. China is playing the long game. Just like the wars of the past were fought with little toy armies of a few thousand knights and noblemen marching into…

There's a difference, facebook did not attempt to run its social media business in China, and Google voluntarily quit so it doesn't have to comply to censorship law. Meanwhile Tiktok has a US branch and is complying with laws in the US. China has a restrictive internet where if you want to operate, you have to comply with a certain set of rules that are unsavory to say the least. Facebook, Google decided to not bothe…

I wonder under what circumstances this ban is acceptable. I'm no expert on international law, but even if the charges are Trumped up (pun intended), espionage / security concerns are very likely on the list.
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