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The cost of 1GB of mobile data in 228 countries (Feb 2020)

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Re: The cost of 1GB of mobile data in 228 countries (Feb 2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Australia we have three physical mobile network operators on a national basis: Telstra, Optus and Vodafone. All the other brands you see are MVNOs running on mostly Optus and Vodafone, with the occasional one here or there on Telstra.

There are significantly more MVNOs on Telstra than there are on Vodafone -- I think you'd be surprised how many more. I would hazard this is because there's a giant legislated fence down the middle of Telstra (referred to as "structural separation") that literally demands that Telstra's retail and wholesale divisions not talk to one another. On a tangent related to that, though, I am very confused about exactly how A…

Here's my understanding of it. (I'm sure someone else will correct me on the details)

The tl;dr summary of it is because it was a defence against Telstra's monopolistic practices.

Zero Rating developed because of a few factors:

Telecom Australia were the only providers of international internet connectivity because they owned all the landing points in the country.

Telecom Australia also owned the first comprehensive nation-wide data/internet transit fiber network around the country and to many cities.

Telecom Australia (which was originally entirely government owned) really didn't give a damn about competing - you either paid their price, or you didn't get connection.

I believe Optus may have had access on one or more submarine cables, but that was primarily for phone service.

Telecom Australia eventually became Telstra. They also built an ISP called Bigpond, which was their home-internet brand.

I believe it was Southern Cross Cables that was the first carrier-neutral submarine cable, and that wasn't online until mid/late 2000 in Sydney.

So, the zero-rating of data started as a way of letting Small ISP's customers download content from international sites, without it costing the ISP a fortune.

I remember pretty much every ISP had their own little quota-free services that they'd host themselves. Game servers were a big one, along with patches, mods, maps, movies, and even some would provide mirrors for the early music streaming services like DI.fm

At the same time as all this was happening, various ISPs were setting up and/or peering with the first IXs and allowing users to access services on the other ISPs for free. At first this was just within your state, but then some ISPs built up interstate capacity and allowed free access to content in other states.

This was coinciding with the rollout of ADSL, again which outside of the capital cities - was largely a Telstra undertaking at first. For Telstra, they already owned all the copper, fibre, and buildings to put it in - so it was a relatively cheap proposition. There was a lot of disputes between Telstra and ACCC over whether Telstra would be required to provide access to their copper network and also the ADSL Network, and under what terms. Eventually other ISPs won the right to install their own ADSL gear in Telstra exchanges (although Telstra screwed with that as much as possible) and so they built out/extended fibre networks to all the phone exchanges for this.

Telstra also made their own online services (Bigpond Movies/Music/Sports/Games/etc) quota free to their own customers. My understanding is that they still didn't do a settlement free peering for access to that data.

Optus effectively followed Telstra's lead in everything with few exceptions.

Re: The cost of 1GB of mobile data in 228 countries (Feb 2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as a tip, you can get cheaper in Germany. I have 7GB with unlimited calls+sms for ~8€ per month, and no tie-in so I can terminate monthly. This was a Black Friday offer from PremiumSIM, but you can find other discounts providers too.

Yeah, there are some cheaper options, but switching is a hassle, especially if you want to keep your number. $14 for 400Gb is an order of magnitude cheaper.

A small hassle, but the new provider will take care of the paperwork. You'll just have to sign. Depends of course on how frustrated you're with the current contract.

Re: The cost of 1GB of mobile data in 228 countries (Feb 2020)

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Not all Internet experiences are equal though. 1 GB of internet in Pakistan ($0.69) ≠ 1 GB of internet in Canada ($12.55). I would gladly trade my Pakistani internet plan for my Canadian internet plan. Last month, when I was in Pakistan, my experience was: + highly censored to the point where even services like Cloudflare's edge-node's within the country were being MiTM-ed by the censors [0]; + I couldn't use "any mo…

This isn't necessarily true in all cases - I can cite you an opposite example. Pre-covid, I was in Singapore. You pay $10 SGD for 1GB of data ONLY (no calls included). The top network operator in Singapore is state-backed Singtel. Their network coverage is very poor in many areas within the city. Singapore is almost literally just one big city and yet, the 4G experience is extremely poor. Also, customer support is very difficult to get hold of, if you're on the prepaid plan. I almost found it a rip off to pay so much for 1GB of 4G data for such a crappy experience.

Now, after my trip, I went to India. I paid $10 for 1.5GB of data DAILY from Airtel (India's top provider) which also includes free unlimited calls. The experience isn't uniform (India is quite huge in comparison to Singapore) but within any tier A city, Airtel is MUCH better than Singtel. Also, the customer support is top notch for the peanuts you pay them and you can find an operator to talk to in usually a minute or less. For comparison, in Singtel, you would have to navigate the crazyily designed IVR and wait for atleast 5+ minutes before you can talk to a real person.

I'm just citing this example to prove that the most expensive 1GB isn't necessarily the best.

Re: The cost of 1GB of mobile data in 228 countries (Feb 2020)

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Not all Internet experiences are equal though. 1 GB of internet in Pakistan ($0.69) ≠ 1 GB of internet in Canada ($12.55). I would gladly trade my Pakistani internet plan for my Canadian internet plan. Last month, when I was in Pakistan, my experience was: + highly censored to the point where even services like Cloudflare's edge-node's within the country were being MiTM-ed by the censors [0]; + I couldn't use "any mo…

Your comment makes a strong implication that prices are correlated with quality (and thus attempts to provide justification for price gouging by Canadian telcos) but the rest of the data makes it clear that’s not the case.

The comment really doesn't and I don't think you can conclude that generalization in another way either because there are too many counterexamples in the map. There's no way the expensive Internet in Uganda is superior to Sweden's. Furthermore, qualitiy varies much more in the US than it does in Sweden where its universally high quality and slightly cheaper. French and German internet are both pretty good but seem to differ greatly in price. Portuguese internet isn't that much worse than Spanish (unless you count the annoying setup for Portugal.) Check the map for even more counter examples.

If I had to guess the prices probably have more to do with subsidies, general infrastructure quality and competition than resultant quality.

Re: The cost of 1GB of mobile data in 228 countries (Feb 2020)

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This is a little off-tangent but as a newly repatriated Dane, can another Dane explain to me how we manage to both have a mega-monopoly telco in TDC and yet have such good prices on internet and phone plans? The only ISPs available to me at my home here are all wholly owned subsidiaries of TDC: none of the others want to touch my address. That sounds like exactly the "any color you want so long as its black" choice I…

Fierce competition, really. Many mobile companies competing - some even loss leaders, who are then bought up by one of the giants for their customers. And switching providers is pretty easy, so people shop around. This has driven down prices.

For internet, the widespread introduction of fiber has really made a huge impact. My father, who lives in a rural area, has 1000GB internet at 40 EUR per month.

Re: The cost of 1GB of mobile data in 228 countries (Feb 2020)

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If I understand the methodology correctly this study seems to penalize unlimited plans quite a lot. In the linked methodology pdf they specify that the price for 1 GB of data for unlimited plans is calculated by dividing by the average data usage per user but limited plans are divided by the limit. For example in Finland almost all plans are unlimited and users regularly use a lot of mobile data. Average monthly use…

We also have "unlimited" plans in Spain, however at +40€ typically, and under "fair use" use clauses.

The question is always what fair use is. Phone contracts with unlimited data set the fair use clause in Austria to 1.5TB a month and have no such limitation for data only sim cards (home use).

On the other hand unlimited in Germany often means ISDN speeds after 50GB.

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Germany is usually notoriously expensive. I'm surprised to see it on-par with the US here.

Also what does cheapest mean? For germany I'd want to see 8eur for 3gb. That's the budget default here set by Aldi (including phone/text flat, I guess 7eur without that), Lidl allays following them after 1-2 weeks.

Re: The cost of 1GB of mobile data in 228 countries (Feb 2020)

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This article is terrible. It’s a classic example of garbage in, garbage out. The analysis is egregiously wrong, the methodology terrible and the source data isn’t available. This really belongs in the trash bin. EDIT: I dare downvoters to speak up. It’s not like I’m wrong.

Yes, you're right. The article makes little sense. I think you're being downvoted because you didn't describe why you think it's senseless.

I can list one reason: this study didn't account for unlimited plans. I think that alone is a pretty bad omission. In some cases you could use N terabytes per month for pretty marginal extra cost.

Re: The cost of 1GB of mobile data in 228 countries (Feb 2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think one of the main reasons it strong oversight of the sector by both the ACCC and Telecommunications watchdog. It took a long time to force this, but aggressive competition by regional ISPs (especially Internode and iiNet) forced Telstra to allow access to their ADSL network, and once that was in these and other companies used similar tactics to force open other markets. Optus aggressively used MVNOs to build ma…

I would suspect genuine regulated competition is the correct answer here (as you spell out). This is in contrast to the monopolies and corruption seen elsewhere. The customer service is still horrible, and NBN remains a disaster.

Customer service is an interesting one.

The independent ISPs (especially Internode and iiNet) had excellent reputations for customer service until they were all taken over by TPG.

Nowadays Aussie Broadband has a pretty good reputation and interestingly has basically followed the same model: not always the absolute cheapest, but competes on benchmarks like speed, and with an engineering-heavy management team.

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