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Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by commoner » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 4:31 AM UTC

saurik wrote: post #112

sschueller wrote: post #35

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The play store is getting worse and worse. It will eventually end up being just a bad. Meanwhile every iteration of Android is getting more locked down because of "security". No more external cameras etc.. The future look bleak until we get a true open source alternative running on open hardware.

> No more external cameras etc.. Woah; this would affect me, but I can't find any reference for it... can I convince you to expand a bit?

The camera picker is going to be removed from Android 11. When an intent for image/video capture is launched from another app, the pre-installed camera app will be opened regardless of what the default camera app is. The default camera app is still used for gestures (e.g. double-clicking the power button), and apps with built-in camera functionality are unaffected.

https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/08/20/android-11-camera-a...

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/20/21376391/google-android-1...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24205479

While this is a regression for user choice, it is still better than iOS/iPadOS, which always defaults to Apple's Camera app and never had a camera picker in the first place.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by dwaite » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 4:34 AM UTC

gsich wrote: post #135

georgespencer wrote: post #54

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> If you don't know that, it is not allowed to sell for more in iOS than in your site, and the app will get banned for attempting that I don't think this is true, although you've said it so emphatically that a lot of people are going to believe it without any supporting evidence! Can you help us out with some? App store guidelines: Nothing about the need for uniform app pricing across platforms.[1] App price: Example…

regarding 1: >You must not directly or indirectly target iOS users to use a purchasing method other than in-app purchase, and your general communications about other purchasing methods must not discourage use of in-app purchase. Which essentially can counteract the uniformity, depending on how insane the reviewer is. Paying more for IAP is obviously discouraging.

More that you should not communicate that your out-of-app purchasing is cheaper, either in-app or out-of-app.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by keyb0ardninja » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 4:36 AM UTC

kuzimoto wrote: post #12

turblety wrote: post #5

I know I really don't matter to Apple, but this walled garden and app store dictatorship is what finally made me move away from iOS to Android last year. I had used Android in the past, but it was with Samsung Galaxy's which where very bloated and awful when compared to Apple. But when a friend told me that Samsung just ruin Android [1] and I should try an actual Google phone, I bought a Pixel and it's honestly great…

> I am very privacy, open-source, freedom orientated I like to think I am as well. How do you balance this when moving from Apple to Android, where Apple (seems) to be much more privacy-focused and basically at zero for open-source/freedom, where Android is basically the reverse? I think there are ways to make it better (custom ROM, alternative app stores), but you give up a lot of functionality (Play Store, Google P…

Don't you think security through obscurity is widely rejected nowadays? The biggest problem I find with Apple's model of privacy and security is that there's a single point of failure: Apple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by dwaite » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 4:38 AM UTC

dathinab wrote: post #139

giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

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This is really sad. On the one hand, sure Apple should be able to make a cut on their app store, on the other hand, they shouldn't be allowed to force apps to do this sort of thing. This will only drive domain prices higher on iOS in order to compensate (in the case of Automattic). If I were in a position where Apple is forcing me to pay a 30% tax, I would literally add "30% Apple Tax" to the check out screen on top…

Oh, but they also require you to sell thinks for the same price! It at least they do for some goods.

reference?

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by nurettin » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 4:43 AM UTC

might be false/local info, so redacted

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by rofws » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 4:43 AM UTC

This is a worrying development for my company. We have B2B products (that can be used from the web and mobile) that customers pay for per account, in bulk. I hope they don't start to apply the 30% cut there - our customers would find it impossible to pay 30% more for every user who uses an iPhone. We would have no choice but to stop having an iPhone app in that case.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by LeonB » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 4:43 AM UTC

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #157

gsich wrote: post #133

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https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines 3.1.3b >your general communications about other purchasing methods must not discourage use of in-app purchase It's vague (probably intentionally) but having a higher price in the app is certainly discouraging compared to the "normal" way.

I wonder if Apple did start requiring the IAP price to be the same as the price everyone else pays - would that definitely be illegal? I have a B2B app in the app-store which only has a login-screen on the app - so hopefully that won't attract Apple's attention, but if they do I was thinking about making our service-fee an Apple Pay ("real-life") purchase with lower fees where we'd mail the customer a brick with an a…

A normal business would not get away with that as it is an unreasonable request. If apple were to do that then it would only be because of their market power. Hence they’d be (further and more clearly) demonstrating that they are in breach of anti trust laws. So yes, my guess is it would be clearly illegal.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by Causality1 » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 4:45 AM UTC

The mobile device role is such a weird and mutated one. Closed systems like game consoles only run software the vendor approves and buyers go into it knowing it's a specialized device. Real computers can run any software the user wants and buyers fully expect their PCs to be as powerful and flexible as possible. Mobile devices occupy a weird middle ground where vendors try to give the impression they can do anything a PC can while simultaneously holding an iron grip around the entire software ecosystem.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by bottled_poe » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 4:47 AM UTC

bigiain wrote: post #150

wwright wrote: post #98

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Even if it was, that’s definitely not significant. Each engineer is probably paid more per day than that. (I’m not a fan of the flat 30% charge, but developer program fees are not a challenge for any group with a revenue stream if any kind.)

> Each engineer is probably paid more per day than that. Except for parts of the world where that's closer to a week or months worth of pay...

It looks like you may be out of touch with the global market

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by georgespencer » Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 4:54 AM UTC

gsich wrote: post #135

georgespencer wrote: post #54

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> If you don't know that, it is not allowed to sell for more in iOS than in your site, and the app will get banned for attempting that I don't think this is true, although you've said it so emphatically that a lot of people are going to believe it without any supporting evidence! Can you help us out with some? App store guidelines: Nothing about the need for uniform app pricing across platforms.[1] App price: Example…

regarding 1: >You must not directly or indirectly target iOS users to use a purchasing method other than in-app purchase, and your general communications about other purchasing methods must not discourage use of in-app purchase. Which essentially can counteract the uniformity, depending on how insane the reviewer is. Paying more for IAP is obviously discouraging.

This has nothing to do with a company's ability to price differently on other platforms or their website, and there is significant evidence that shows apps allowed onto the app store with more expensive purchase price, subscription price, and IAP price.