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Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by wolco »

LeonB wrote: post #114
dylan-m wrote: post #99

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Yeah, I meant per developer. Wires crossed. But it certainly doesn't matter what each engineer is paid. Apple has 20 million registered developers. [Edit: And let's say a third of them pay that fee, which is admittedly probably a stretch. The finer details are not my point here other than to say here's a bunch of money that comes in no matter what] I don't care what those developers are making: that's serious income…

20 million * $99 certainly is real money. For a popular income generating app, the $99 will make an insignificant impact on the marginal cost. But the vast vast majority of apps are not in that category, and the $99 does have an impact.

It limits the types of apps found in iOS.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by wolco »

NavinF wrote: post #104
briandear wrote: post #78

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How much are credit card fees? Chargebacks? Fraud? Server costs to host your app and updates? The shopping cart/private infrastructure? You actually get some value from those percentages, but few people actually run the numbers.

2.9% is the highest you'll pay to accept cards unless you're in a high risk category. And even cheaper with volume Fraud happens with any payment provider including Apple. You don't have to pay extra for shopping cart infrastructure if you use Stripe or similar

That's stripe rate. You will pay higher elsewhere.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by gsich »

LeonB wrote: post #115
GeneralTspoon wrote: post #47

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> If I were in a position where Apple is forcing me to pay a 30% tax, I would literally add "30% Apple Tax" to the check out screen on top of the regular fees to make consumers aware. Course I'm sure Apple wouldn't like this at all either. They straight up won't allow you to do this.... I've tried before, and got a call from the Apple Reviewer to say that they won't allow anything like this to be published.

Do you have more information about this?

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines

3.1.3b

>your general communications about other purchasing methods must not discourage use of in-app purchase

It's vague (probably intentionally) but having a higher price in the app is certainly discouraging compared to the "normal" way.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by gsich »

georgespencer wrote: post #54
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #20

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> If I were in a position where Apple is forcing me to pay a 30% tax, I would literally add "30% Apple Tax" to the check out screen on top of the regular fees to make consumers aware If you don't know that, it is not allowed to sell for more in iOS than in your site, and the app will get banned for attempting that, forget about displaying 30% apple tax to the users explicitly. Edit: Heard from somewhere, likely not f…

> If you don't know that, it is not allowed to sell for more in iOS than in your site, and the app will get banned for attempting that I don't think this is true, although you've said it so emphatically that a lot of people are going to believe it without any supporting evidence! Can you help us out with some? App store guidelines: Nothing about the need for uniform app pricing across platforms.[1] App price: Example…

regarding 1:

>You must not directly or indirectly target iOS users to use a purchasing method other than in-app purchase, and your general communications about other purchasing methods must not discourage use of in-app purchase.

Which essentially can counteract the uniformity, depending on how insane the reviewer is. Paying more for IAP is obviously discouraging.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by Dahoon »

ffpip wrote: post #76
sschueller wrote: post #35

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The play store is getting worse and worse. It will eventually end up being just a bad. Meanwhile every iteration of Android is getting more locked down because of "security". No more external cameras etc.. The future look bleak until we get a true open source alternative running on open hardware.

God. I just stopped opening the play store. Everything is ads and autoplaying videos. I added the update shortcut to homescreen to go straight to updates

I have never seen an add or a video on Google Play except a line of "Suggested for you" apps which I guess are paid for? The only videos are after clicking an app and then they have never ever started playing automatically. Must be either a regional thing, a custom per phone brand or something like it. Neither my OnePlus or Google phones have it.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by wolco »

fermienrico wrote: post #41
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #33

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Me too, I've chosen Apple devices, mostly because I like Apple's Continuity features and their walled-garden mindset. In particular, I really wish Apple would push Apple Pay and Sign-In with Apple more: I already trust Apple with all sorts of private data (Face ID, iCloud Keychain, etc.), I don't want to also have to evaluate PayPal/Google/FB/whoever as an alternative sign-in or payment vendor.

I am thinking of getting a Mac and iPad too now. Apple's whole game is to make profit from hardware and their services, not ads. Even if Apple charged - $50/month privacy fee to keep things secure, I am fine with it. I'd pay twice as much for an iPhone - at $2000 even - something that keeps everything about my life secure - I have no problems paying for it.

You are the perfect rare customer. You will pay crazy amounts higher than market rates in order to get a safe feeling.

You would probably pay a $500.00 a month privacy fee.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by dathinab »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #3
mmastrac wrote: post #2

Tweet thread - it looks like Apple is requiring in-app purchases to sign-up for wordpress.com accounts, despite it being an open-source app for any WordPress site: > Heads up on why @WordPressiOS updates have been absent... we were locked by App Store. To be able to ship updates and bug fixes again we had to commit to support in-app purchases for .com plans. I know why this is problematic, open to suggestions. Allow…

This is really sad. On the one hand, sure Apple should be able to make a cut on their app store, on the other hand, they shouldn't be allowed to force apps to do this sort of thing. This will only drive domain prices higher on iOS in order to compensate (in the case of Automattic). If I were in a position where Apple is forcing me to pay a 30% tax, I would literally add "30% Apple Tax" to the check out screen on top…

Oh, but they also require you to sell thinks for the same price!

It at least they do for some goods.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by dathinab »

georgespencer wrote: post #58
sjs382 wrote: post #44

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I think YetAnotherNick means the actual words "30% Apple Tax" on the screen.

I don't see how that's possible from his comment: > If you don't know that, it is not allowed to sell for more in iOS than in your site, and the app will get banned for attempting that He seems to believe that Apple explicitly bans apps from charging more for iOS subscriptions / IAPs than they do elsewhere (e.g. purchasing the subscription on their website), but I can find no evidence to support this, and a lot of ev…

They do so implicit, then moment is visible to the user that they can buy thinking cheaper elsewhere Apple will cause trouble.

I.e. you are not allowed to be transparent with pricing.

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