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You should be on thorazine.
Thanks!
Or just bleach. Cyanide if you can get it?
Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests
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Re: Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests
#372Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just in case anyone is wondering. The 'official' vote count for Thikhanovskaya is 588,622. So regardless of how unbiased a sample it may be the Telegram poll shows over 2x as many people (or phone numbers to be exact), willing to vote for Thikhanovskaya (at the time of writing). Use this information as you wish.
How many of these "phone numbers" aren't eligible voters though (e.g. under 18)?
Who knows. And there are tons of such effects that bias the result in every possible direction.
That's why I called upon people to use heir own judgement.
Re: Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests
#373Telegram created Belarus language public channel. And posted poll to vote for new president with some clever restrictions. Anyone can vote, but you can't choose options with candidates if your phone number is not Balarusian. "I am not from Belarus" is only available poll option to make your vote if your phone number is not Balarusian. There is currently 736'000 votes with that option. Telegram poll https://t.me/s/tel…
Just in case anyone is wondering. The 'official' vote count for Thikhanovskaya is 588,622. So regardless of how unbiased a sample it may be the Telegram poll shows over 2x as many people (or phone numbers to be exact), willing to vote for Thikhanovskaya (at the time of writing). Use this information as you wish.
That's cool and all, except everyone in that country had 2 sim cards with 2 numbers. They don't have free long distance over there, nor are plans for cheap text+data the same plans as cheap calls. So I take this information to mean this poll was useless.
Everyone who voted could vote twice, and felons and kids voted too.
Re: Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests
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Yeah, that’s what their website claims. But it isn’t.
Normally I’d ask you for some kind of proof, but I know you won’t be able to output any of it.
The fact that there’s no proofs, alone, says something. Telegram has been around for 7 years. There’s no external funding and yet the project lives and grows. It’s either being funded from the Durov’s pocket, or from elsewhere. Take your pick.
To better understand who Durov is, look up the story about him throwing money to a crowd out of a window of his VK office.
He also believed that foreigners should be able to buy land in Russia to create small states within the country.
I would not (and I do not) believe in good intentions of this guy, at all. And in fact it is you (or Durov himself) who should provide a proof that Telegram is not getting funded by governments, being one of the most popular communication tools around. Especially after the failed ICO. The source of funds should be transparent.
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Telegram has a feature that I really like. It allows you to delete your messages from other people devices as well.
I have been frustrated with Signal on this. I pitched that it is a good idea because of a scenario: > You're protesting with people. Cops pick them up, but not you. You can delete their messages and it is likely that you are able to do so before the police can clone your phone or copy the messages (screenshot, whatever). I got a few strange responses back: - Deleting messages doesn't mean they can't be saved (yeah...…
See, the lack of bidirectional deletion is one of the reasons I prefer Signal. Nobody other than me should have the ability to delete data on my device.
Re: Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests
#376Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just in case anyone is wondering. The 'official' vote count for Thikhanovskaya is 588,622. So regardless of how unbiased a sample it may be the Telegram poll shows over 2x as many people (or phone numbers to be exact), willing to vote for Thikhanovskaya (at the time of writing). Use this information as you wish.
How many of these "phone numbers" aren't eligible voters though (e.g. under 18)?
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#377There was also a very large Telegram channel where they were doxing riot police members that were participating in attacks on demonstrators. It was extremely efficient infowar since it was their home addresses, family photos, wife's cellphone number...
Wow what a shitty thing to do.
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#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's certainly true that politicians can be unpopular for entirely local reasons. For instance, most politicians in USA, for at least the last decade. They are corrupt and incompetent, so they are unpopular. However, both TFA and other things I've read about Belarus have a very "Euromaidan"/"Kong Tsung-gan" flavor to them. This is the sort of thing CIA does. They publicly claim this is the sort of thing they should d…
This is a myopic eastern-European worldview where general population are sheep and nothing ever happens unless some sort of Illuminati has planned it. CIA does a lot of things, but they are not the only ones, and they can't be everywhere at once.
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Re: Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests
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Even in the worst case scenario, where each and every opposition voter took part in the poll, and literally everyone else voted for Lukashenko, this still prpves that the true result was at least 17% for opposition, which is more than the official results claim.
Teenagers don't have phones? Did all the eligible voters who phone-polled actually vote? Did they poll the way they actually voted? Some people don't have two phones? Can we trust that telegram doesn't have a flaw in the means by which it is measured? (i.e. register again with the same SIM, or something like that?) It's nice that there is a phone number as validation, but this doesn't 'prove' anything. Edit: I should…
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Re: Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests
#380Earlier quoted context omitted.
So what it it wasn't random, but captured 90% of the population?
Where are you seeing 90%? The poll itself says 59% of the 2.3m respondents were people who voted in the election. That's 1.4m people, which is 15% of their population and 21% of their eligible voting population.
Forget the percentage - there are more people who said they voted for the second-place contender than the second-place contender's official vote count.