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Efficiency is dangerous and slowing down makes life better

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Re: Efficiency is dangerous and slowing down makes life better

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This comment thread is making me realize we don't have a good word to distinguish between efficiency as in "we only have 7 hospital beds because that's all we need on 99% of each day" and efficiency as in "we replaced steps X,Y,Z with just step X', because we found that X' could accomplish everything that XYZ could accomplish but it's faster, more accurate, and cheaper". One makes a tradeoff by reducing overheads and…

This seems like it sort of ties in with NN Taleb's idea of "Anti-fragile" [1]. Perhaps also Chesterton's fence [2]. Maybe also the whole premature-optimization thing [3]. And of course the too-clever-by-half coyotes [4]. Really maybe it just comes down to "be wary of making changes that reduce resiliency." I was hoping to come up with something cohesive with this comment, but really I guess I just agree with what you…

I love this comment on so many levels ;D

Re: Efficiency is dangerous and slowing down makes life better

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> We worship efficiency. Multitask; text on one device while emailing on a second, and perhaps conversing on a third. Efficiency is seen as good. Inefficiency as wasteful.

The premise is total bullshit. No one thinks multitasking is good.

Barry Schwartz consistently doesn't get it, but he's good at presenting "Unpopular opinion's" style articles.

People say multi-tasking is great! But it's not! Upvote if you agree.

Efficiency is why your baby doesn't get stuck in the womb killing two people.

Bot sniping on GrubHub is scary, this is an efficiency that actually worries me. But it's not within this articles scope.

Re: Efficiency is dangerous and slowing down makes life better

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I've found "efficiency as the opposite of stability" a very powerful concept to think about - even though it's fairly simple, it seems to be almost a fundamental law. Whether it's about the economy at large, your own household, a supply chain, what have you - as soon as you optimize for efficiency by removing friction, you take all the slack/damping out of the system and become instantly more liable to catastrophic f…

> I've found "efficiency as the opposite of stability" a very powerful concept to think about

I think this concept misses capacity. I my opinion, it is crucial that you always leave some over-capacity to have stability (lets say, you are running at most at 80% capacity). If you then increase your efficiency without sacrifying your buffer capacity, everything is fine. But as soon as your try to run at more than 80% capacity to be more efficient, this slightest problem could have devastating effects.

Re: Efficiency is dangerous and slowing down makes life better

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post #2

I've found "efficiency as the opposite of stability" a very powerful concept to think about - even though it's fairly simple, it seems to be almost a fundamental law. Whether it's about the economy at large, your own household, a supply chain, what have you - as soon as you optimize for efficiency by removing friction, you take all the slack/damping out of the system and become instantly more liable to catastrophic f…

Dr. Richard Hamming said in his lecture series “Life Long Learning” given at the Naval Postgraduate School: a perfectly engineered bridge would collapse if an extra pound was driven across it. I used to think this was a joke, or at least said in jest. Nope.

Re: Efficiency is dangerous and slowing down makes life better

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post #140

Insurance is the opposite of a lottery. If you think buying lottery tickets are a waste of money because you lose out in the long run, the same argument should lead you to think having insurance is a good thing.

Insurance premiums and the lottery both have expected negative returns. I don't (generally) play the lottery, and I don't (generally) participate in involuntary insurance schemes. I don't buy pet insurance, I don't buy extended warranties; I generally try to avoid paying a third party's payroll, G&A, real estate, taxes, and profits, all on top of the actual expenses I incur that they (hopefully) pay for, after much p…

I cannot afford a multi-hundred-thousand-dollar unexpected expense.

Right, which demonstrates that the expected value of insurance can be positive in terms of utility even if it's negative in dollars. For most individuals, a $100k loss is more than 100 times as bad as a $1020 premium. Meanwhile the insurance provider can absorb individual losses and still come out ahead overall.

Re: Efficiency is dangerous and slowing down makes life better

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Oh dear, I want to rant.

Efficiency is a dimensionless ratio of energy in to energy out. Economics, as formulated, has little to say about efficiency and lots to say about preference relations on utility functions (the texts do tend to hand-wavingly waffle about how markets attain "efficiency" through hypothetically rational actors maximizing utility functions etc., if you want a giggle check out the "fundamental theorems of welfare").

I actually read the fine article, and didn't give up after the first couple of paragraphs.

And in paragraph the third is introduced friction. I dunno, maybe it's because I actually study science, but friction is a well defined thing and the coefficient of same is another _dimensionless_ variable. It seems every time economists want to incorporate a notion from science proper they go for the dimensionless stuff because that way they don't have to go through the whole tiresome rigmarole of ... dimensional analysis. It makes me feel like Tantacrul criticising UI's (check him out on youtube, he's both funny and informative).

Anyway, efficiency is not dangerous, efficiency will actually allow the survivors of the Anthropocene Disaster make it through the coming disaster. Slowing down is not a bad notion because it means most humans can spend more time thinking (quite efficient actually) and less time haring around the planet distracting themselves from the vapidity of their vanity. However life is not better because it is slower, it's better because humans appreciate what an extraordinary (literally and figuratively) opportunity it is to be alive.

As insurance policy against disaster stop listening to economists because they observably don't have a clue (they can't make accurate and meaningful predictions), instead study science, especially physics, because these meanings are measured against reality and the resulting predictions are highly reliable (TANSTAAFL /rant

Re: Efficiency is dangerous and slowing down makes life better

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a fundamental law. Systems theory has the concepts of "gain margin" and "phase margin" -- how much you can amplify feedback or delay feedback, respectively, before your self-adjusting feedback mechanism fails to find equilibrium and turns into an oscillator. Even though most non-engineering systems don't fit the mathematical theory, the idea that only a finite amount of gain + delay is available, and that the t…

> It is a fundamental law . > Systems theory I'm confused. Is it a law or a theory? And no, it can't be both. Laws are proved. Theories are unproven.

Your confusion is understandable. This misunderstanding surfaces every now and then on HN.

“Hypothesis. Theory. Law. These scientific words get bandied about regularly, yet the general public usually gets their meaning wrong.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/just-a-theory-7-m...

Re: Efficiency is dangerous and slowing down makes life better

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I think this article is missing something. What it talks about is efficiency of systems, which I think is different than efficiency in process.

Most of what the article talks about is making large systems more efficient for the benefit of the system at large. I agree, this makes individual components of the system more stressed and prone to catastrophic failure at any one point in the system. People within that kind of efficient system are pushed to their limits and breaking points.

However, making individual processes efficient i've found reduces stress on the individuals involved in that process and allows for that slowing down time.

The examples I can think of to back my points up

Previously I worked at a job where the actual process was incredibly inefficient. I ended up working long hours and twice as hard as I needed to. By the time I left that job, I'd increased the efficiency of the process to the point where I was working reasonable hours, had some good downtime to relax or take care of other things I'd had to neglect before.

The overall system at the place though was fairly inefficient, which was a good thing. It meant we were usually a little ahead and could account for things that went wrong.

Another recent example at my current job, we were working with a person who tried to overhaul our inefficient, yet working system. Our processes were efficient enough that we always got what we needed to do done. The person we were working with tried to over engineer an 'efficient' schedule and system for us that in the end caused far too much friction and they ended up losing money and the business relationship between the company I work for and them ended.

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