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Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by ryathal »

eggsnbacon1 wrote: post #93
chromedev wrote: post #19

Anyone remember them saying in their ToS that hate speech is okay as long as it isn't against a group considered to be the minority?

Its clearly what they do. The best example, a default sub TwoXChromosomes is full of blatant hate speech against half the species and its touted as a progressive bastion when its a different variation of The Donald.

TwoXChromosomes has improved dramatically since it was first made a general sub. I'm sure it drove most of the misandry to other smaller subs. If anything it's a good example that exposing hate and echo chambers to a wider audience can help improve them in some cases.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by thunkpad »

nailer wrote: post #160
thunkpad wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted to disagree with you, but honestly my gut also says the MAGA hat person is at risk. Here's the thing though -- where's the data? Has that actually happened in any significance? Especially compared to right wing violence.

Thanks for being honest. There's a huge amount of video footage of people being beaten by rioters.

Please link me!

I've been following the pipe bomb situation pretty closely so I've missed a lot of that stuff probably.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by nailer »

schwartzworld wrote: post #117
nailer wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be reasonable. For example, if someone chooses very orthodox or liberal beliefs (whether Christian, Muslim or Jewish or Atheist) and they clash with your beliefs, you should be able to fire them at will.

Why should an employer be allowed to fire someone for religious beliefs, unless they specifically make the person unable to do their job?

>> and they clash with your beliefs

> unless they specifically make the person unable to do their job

Clashing with their employer would make someone unable to do their job

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by nailer »

thunkpad wrote: post #162
nailer wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for being honest. There's a huge amount of video footage of people being beaten by rioters.

Please link me! I've been following the pipe bomb situation pretty closely so I've missed a lot of that stuff probably.

You're a green account, so I'm somewhat concerned you migh be a troll or whatever.

But assuming you don't live in the US: just Google 'portland violence'

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by thunkpad »

nailer wrote: post #164
thunkpad wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please link me! I've been following the pipe bomb situation pretty closely so I've missed a lot of that stuff probably.

You're a green account, so I'm somewhat concerned you migh be a troll or whatever. But assuming you don't live in the US: just Google 'portland violence'

Yeah I lurked for way too long. Spent like half of yesterday rate limited, which is understandable. :)

I actually have a few mutuals who have been on the ground in Portland and I'm in the southeast.

I had seen this stuff when it first happened but it's just hard to pay much attention with other deadly force being deployed IMO. If you google Skylor Jernigan, you get nothing but local articles. There's a strong false equivalency being deployed there.

e: almost forgot where I am! I rarely get to make this point but here we go: nitpicking out individualized acts of violence to discredit a large, decentralized movement is the exact same thing as FUD, IMO. It's a tactic for maintaining unequal power dynamics.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by curryst »

dcow wrote: post #39
pkulak wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything I've seen suggests that removing platforms actually does reduce this stuff. It's analogous to the argument that there's no point trying to reduce suicides; people are just gong to do it some other way. But no, if you put a barrier on a bridge, suicides really do go down in total. If you make something even just a little bit more difficult, you reduce it.

I don't think “places to be hateful on the internet” are in short supply.

No, but places to be hateful on a major platform where users might accidentally stumble into your community and stay are. I would guess that most people who get wrapped up in that stuff stumble upon it, rather than it being something they sought out on their own.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by nailer »

thunkpad wrote: post #165
nailer wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're a green account, so I'm somewhat concerned you migh be a troll or whatever. But assuming you don't live in the US: just Google 'portland violence'

Yeah I lurked for way too long. Spent like half of yesterday rate limited, which is understandable. :) I actually have a few mutuals who have been on the ground in Portland and I'm in the southeast. I had seen this stuff when it first happened but it's just hard to pay much attention with other deadly force being deployed IMO. If you google Skylor Jernigan, you get nothing but local articles. There's a strong false e…

> nitpicking out individualized acts of violence to discredit a large, decentralized movement

That would forbid criticism of any violent decentralized movement.

> There's a strong false equivalency being deployed there.

I don't think there's any equivalency. There's no widespread looting and assault from the center or the right here.

Antifa specifically are willing to use violence to suppress disbelievers as part of their manifesto, and have handbooks re: playing to the invisible audience, goading people into fight responses, etc. However I suspect you know this already. And that you're doing that it now.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by NoSorryCannot »

nailer wrote: post #159
NoSorryCannot wrote: post #123

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It strikes me that having a duality of political groups like this doesn't mean they both have equal legitimacy or deserve equal platform. American conservatives have pretty eagerly woven prejudice into the ideological fabric of the party. Similarly the party seems willing to promote or at least enable blatant criminality. They made their socially-regressive bed and now they can lie in it. "Fiscal conservatives" who d…

That's a very bold claim. On what basis would you say that?

The basis is the last 60 years or so. Looking earlier than the seventies or so and the parties are recognizable in name only. There's been a pretty radical shift in party ideologies, particularly identity politics, over the last century.

Republicans of half a century ago would have hanged the modern republican party politicians as traitors and seditionists.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by thunkpad »

nailer wrote: post #167
thunkpad wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I lurked for way too long. Spent like half of yesterday rate limited, which is understandable. :) I actually have a few mutuals who have been on the ground in Portland and I'm in the southeast. I had seen this stuff when it first happened but it's just hard to pay much attention with other deadly force being deployed IMO. If you google Skylor Jernigan, you get nothing but local articles. There's a strong false e…

> nitpicking out individualized acts of violence to discredit a large, decentralized movement That would forbid criticism of any violent decentralized movement. > There's a strong false equivalency being deployed there. I don't think there's any equivalency. There's no widespread looting and assault from the center or the right here. Antifa specifically are willing to use violence to suppress disbelievers as part of…

> That would forbid criticism of any violent decentralized movement.

Establish a pattern of behavior?

> There's no widespread looting and assault from the center or the right here.

I know it's low hanging fruit but do you find this compelling?: https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-3...

> and have handbooks re: playing to the invisible audience, goading people into fight responses, etc.

Who is antifa??? More FUD. This is, in my opinion, a very lazy and poorly researched argument against the anti-fascist movement. Especially in a country where crime reporting is run through an institution with ties to white supremacy and roots in crushing strikes and capturing escaped slaves. Show me the data. Show me the pattern of left wing terror.

> And that you're doing that it now.

Not even touching this..

Oh also, are you sure you've been seeing literature from the "real" "antifa"? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-fake-antifa-acount-whit...

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by thunkpad »

nailer wrote: post #167
thunkpad wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I lurked for way too long. Spent like half of yesterday rate limited, which is understandable. :) I actually have a few mutuals who have been on the ground in Portland and I'm in the southeast. I had seen this stuff when it first happened but it's just hard to pay much attention with other deadly force being deployed IMO. If you google Skylor Jernigan, you get nothing but local articles. There's a strong false e…

> nitpicking out individualized acts of violence to discredit a large, decentralized movement That would forbid criticism of any violent decentralized movement. > There's a strong false equivalency being deployed there. I don't think there's any equivalency. There's no widespread looting and assault from the center or the right here. Antifa specifically are willing to use violence to suppress disbelievers as part of…

Also did you happen to look up Skylor Jernigan? Had you heard of him?
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