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Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Its worse than that (from 2019) "Adobe this week began sending some users of its Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, Premiere, Animate, and Media Director programs a letter warning them that they were no longer legally authorized to use the software they may have thought they owned." https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xk3p/adobe-tells-users-...

They don’t really explain it. Did users buy a standalone version of these software and adobe now claims they can’t legally use something they bought?

Part of your Creative Cloud license is insurance/indemnification against third-party infringement claims. That is, if Adobe were to pirate someone else's software, and then that person decided to sue you for copyright infringement, Adobe would defend you.

What happened is that Adobe pirated someone else's software - specifically, Dolby's. They slathered surround-sound support into all their apps, but used very questionable accounting methods to avoid paying for all that licensing. For example, if they added 5.1 support to Premiere, they'd only count it as a "sale" if you actually opened Premiere and used that particular feature. This is a blatant license violation.

Creative Cloud used to have a feature where you could install old versions of their software, all the way back to CS6. Of course, if Dolby's lawsuit worked out, each version you installed could count as a separate license violation. Hence, they took away that very generous old version support and said you only get the latest version and last year's version.

As one of the developers for Ruffle, this absolutely sucks, because there is no Adobe-sanctioned way to generate test Flash movies with ActionScript 2 code anymore. That support was removed when they released the first Creative Cloud version of Flash, which is already many years old and also not provided by Adobe anymore.

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Sure! Here you go for the RAW file : http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=04290873673274490201 Here is the SOOC JPG for the same image : http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=88911356095628235668 Google Chrome might warn you of the risk for malware, but it seems to do for every good, free filehost :/ For reference, here is the screenshot : https://imgur.com/a/6RkiGyH It doesn't do this for every photo either, which is e…

https://imgur.com/a/0Pj2lex Weird. I just did +1EV exposure and filmic rgb as is recommended, and it looks just fine to me. What version of darktable are you using?

I tried two versions, 3.3.0+185, and 3.2.1-1, one through pacman and the other compiled from source.

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Regardless of the apology, Adobe should not be allowed to simply dismiss that they deleted user files. In effect, due to Adobe negligence, they have destroyed user intellectual property. A signal and example needs to be made. Individual users can sue for damages -- lost value and opportunity -- illegal destruction of property. The computer fraud and abuse act could also be applied for criminal charges -- Adobe misuse…

This happened on the user's phone. The issue is at what point negligent authorized access becomes unauthorized access. "Exceeds authorized access" is a criminal charge under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. A contract cannot override criminal law. This is really complicated, see [1]. An EULA, though, might not be enough to get Adobe out of this. Especially if a third party, not a party to the EULA, owned the photo.…

A difficulty that has been pointed out on other forums is that after an unexpected delete bug that caused permanent data loss, during any subsequent legal action you may have no evidence to demonstrate what you have lost. If you do have a backup available from elsewhere to demonstrate the damage that was done to your device, you have also demonstrably limited that damage to a small inconvenience in having to restore the backup.

I support the principle that having permission to install updates should not grant carte blanche to have those updates do anything no matter how harmful, and indeed I would be in favour of much stronger regulation of technology in this area. However, I'm not sure how much that would help if there isn't some mechanism for regulators to assess statutory/punitive damages in some form. Even then, there's no way for a regulator to fairly allocate any financial compensation available to users who were, or claim to have been, affected. We're effectively trying to create a deterrent rather than trying to compensate for actual losses here, and with something like lost personal work, you can never make good the damage just with money anyway.

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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In another story, I needed Lightroom for about a week to do some photo work. I started with their subscription for the month and I wanted to let go if I'm done in the first month. While trying to cancel my subscription, I realize I can only do that after paying for the remaining 11 months (rough calculation). With no other option, I paid my penalty and left Adobe for good. I have deleted my 15+ year old Adobe account…

This is why whenever it’s possible I will sign up and pay for the subscription via Apple’s IAP. It’s simple, no bullshit, and I can cancel my current month’s subscription immediately.

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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They've also pulled off an incredibly hostile move for paid users of older Lightrooms - they're refusing to update it for 64bit-only OS X. The app itself is 64bit (in fact, the app itself is _only_ 64bit), but its licensing/installer components are not. So if you update OS X, it's not guaranteed that Lightroom (that you paid for) will run, or if it does, how long it will continue running for. This isn't some ancient…

Piracy exists to keep corporations honest.

While that's a tempting view, in the case of Adobe piracy exists to drive adoption.

Most of the time, piracy is used because it's just more convenient then properly paying [0]. Those who still pirate, despite there existing a more convenient option to pay usually can't afford it, and will pay when they can.

In the meantime, the name of your program becomes a verb and an industry standard, and everyone has to deal with it.

[0] https://www.ign.com/articles/2011/11/25/gabe-says-piracy-isn...

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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In another story, I needed Lightroom for about a week to do some photo work. I started with their subscription for the month and I wanted to let go if I'm done in the first month. While trying to cancel my subscription, I realize I can only do that after paying for the remaining 11 months (rough calculation). With no other option, I paid my penalty and left Adobe for good. I have deleted my 15+ year old Adobe account…

I recently signed up for adobe CC to test out premiere for some video editing work (side note, Final Cut is better) and instead of inputting a real card I used a privacy.com one. When I decided I didn't want it, I just disabled the privacy card. I only have to deal with a few annoying emails from adobe. I didn't even bother trying to cancel. Reading your comment makes me realize how smart that was.

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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https://imgur.com/a/0Pj2lex Weird. I just did +1EV exposure and filmic rgb as is recommended, and it looks just fine to me. What version of darktable are you using?

I tried two versions, 3.3.0+185, and 3.2.1-1, one through pacman and the other compiled from source.

That's really wacky. do you also have the sidecar file? May be a bug.

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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I tried two versions, 3.3.0+185, and 3.2.1-1, one through pacman and the other compiled from source.

That's really wacky. do you also have the sidecar file? May be a bug.

Yup, here is the sidecar file: https://x0.at/uSx.xmp

I think it might be a bug too. Which is too bad, because Darktable is soooo close to the perfect photo editor (except for CA correction and sharpening, but that's neither here nor there)

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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In proportion to the margin, the "service cost" is already astronomically expensive. Moreover, the the click accept "contract" is not license for extortion -- does not make extortion legal. A mere contract does not make arson legal, even if accidental; does not make man-slaughter legal, etc. The computer fraud and abuse act applies, regardless of contract. Adobe accessed user computers/hosts in a way inconstant with…

If you want bulletproof software with guarantees (like the medical industry or aerospace or traffic light systems or banks) you'll get extremely conservative, boring old tech with no flashy new features all the time. If the cost for breakage is too high they just won't make any changes unless absolutely necessary. But the market has spoken and people prefer flashy new features and updates instead of boring railroad c…

But the market has spoken

It has? When was the market given a choice?

I, for one, would be absolutely fine with having fewer shiny new features but also not having software I rely on break all the time. The current culture of just shoving everything out, whatever condition it's in and regardless of the consequences of any potential failure, and saying you'll patch any problems later is toxic and quietly causing enormous damage to our society.

The culture of saying you can sell some hardware product with embedded software, or some software product that is hosted online or based on a subscription model, and then effectively force users who have already committed to that product to accept arbitrary changes whether they want them or not, is also toxic.

We don't know how to reliably write 100% bug-free software, but we do know how to write better software than much of what is produced today. Getting a significant increase in quality isn't even that expensive, since the long-term savings from reduced maintenance and increased productivity help to offset or even outweigh any additional costs during initial development. However, it does require hiring people with actual skill and knowledge to write the software instead of just assembling a cheap team of code monkeys. It also requires your leadership team to actually care about quality and plan to achieve it and provide resources accordingly.

IMNSHO, our industry would benefit from having more developers and leaders with these skills and mindsets, but until there is some form of pressure (and again, I couldn't disagree more that the status quo is a result of genuine customer preference) the economic drivers aren't pushing towards training up new software developers to be better and having leaders plan for good quality products in many cases. After all, why waste time and money doing something right if you can do it wrong but cheaper and still charge almost the same for it anyway? I think we're well overdue for genuine competition in the market and/or regulatory intervention to drive standards up.

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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In another story, I needed Lightroom for about a week to do some photo work. I started with their subscription for the month and I wanted to let go if I'm done in the first month. While trying to cancel my subscription, I realize I can only do that after paying for the remaining 11 months (rough calculation). With no other option, I paid my penalty and left Adobe for good. I have deleted my 15+ year old Adobe account…

Can you clarify why that was so? I started using privacy.com for basically any trial of subscription nowadays, am curious if this would Avert their dirty tactics.

Adobe subscriptions are sold as annual plans only. You have the option of whether to prepay the full year, or to pay it off in monthly instalments.

https://www.adobe.com/au/creativecloud/plans.html

(I'd definitely recommend going with Affinity Photo instead if it suits your needs.)

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