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Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Post by mortenjorck »

darren_ wrote: post #11
akersten wrote: post #2

Slight sidebar: it's so frustrating that Adobe made the new Lightroom some cloud based monstrosity. For photographers with serious workflows involving local disks, we're now relegated to "Lightroom Classic" which makes me feel like I'll be discontinued in N years from now. I hope they change course and drop this whole cloud thing, the yearly subscription model is bad enough.

They've also pulled off an incredibly hostile move for paid users of older Lightrooms - they're refusing to update it for 64bit-only OS X. The app itself is 64bit (in fact, the app itself is _only_ 64bit), but its licensing/installer components are not. So if you update OS X, it's not guaranteed that Lightroom (that you paid for) will run, or if it does, how long it will continue running for. This isn't some ancient…

There's also no way to download Lightroom 6 from Adobe anymore, so unless you saved the installer, you'd be out of luck on a new Mac even if Adobe had updated the licensing system for 64bit.

There are some tech companies I don't have a particularly positive view of and try to avoid, such as Facebook. Only Adobe, however, do I consider such an execrable blight on the industry that I have a firm, no-exceptions, "never again" policy.

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Post by jarym »

darren_ wrote: post #11
akersten wrote: post #2

Slight sidebar: it's so frustrating that Adobe made the new Lightroom some cloud based monstrosity. For photographers with serious workflows involving local disks, we're now relegated to "Lightroom Classic" which makes me feel like I'll be discontinued in N years from now. I hope they change course and drop this whole cloud thing, the yearly subscription model is bad enough.

They've also pulled off an incredibly hostile move for paid users of older Lightrooms - they're refusing to update it for 64bit-only OS X. The app itself is 64bit (in fact, the app itself is _only_ 64bit), but its licensing/installer components are not. So if you update OS X, it's not guaranteed that Lightroom (that you paid for) will run, or if it does, how long it will continue running for. This isn't some ancient…

Piracy exists to keep corporations honest.

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Post by newscracker »

> This is also a great reminder for photographers that you should always back up your images, in multiple places, so you’re never subject to a single point of failure. Mistakes like this happen, even at some of the world’s largest companies

For a long time, I’ve been thinking that for all the value that Adobe provides in some of its products, it’s still quite a bad deal for the users. The single point of failure for people who use Adobe is Adobe. Those who have realized this sooner (around the time it went full-on into subscriptions) and made changes to take more control over their workflow would be better off without being controlled and swayed in every which direction because the company just wants to make more money.

While I feel pained at the loss that the Lightroom app users are going through (any kind of data loss is quite painful), I hope that for their own sake, many more users start looking at alternatives that aren’t premised on holding them hostage.

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Post by adrr »

clumsysmurf wrote: post #54
darren_ wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've also pulled off an incredibly hostile move for paid users of older Lightrooms - they're refusing to update it for 64bit-only OS X. The app itself is 64bit (in fact, the app itself is _only_ 64bit), but its licensing/installer components are not. So if you update OS X, it's not guaranteed that Lightroom (that you paid for) will run, or if it does, how long it will continue running for. This isn't some ancient…

Its worse than that (from 2019) "Adobe this week began sending some users of its Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, Premiere, Animate, and Media Director programs a letter warning them that they were no longer legally authorized to use the software they may have thought they owned." https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xk3p/adobe-tells-users-...

They don’t really explain it. Did users buy a standalone version of these software and adobe now claims they can’t legally use something they bought?

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Post by podiki »

benrbray wrote: post #3

Well, this is as good a time as any then to try out Darktable [1]! [1] https://www.darktable.org/

Definitely, darktable is fantastic. Haven't used Lightroom in years now, but at the time darktable was ahead in what it could do, editing-wise (Lightroom seemed better at organization to me then though). I posted this in the recent darktable thread, but here is a list of other FOSS photography software [1]. And I'd love any notes on new software or things to update, since this is from a few years ago now.

[1] https://9bladed.com/post/foss_photography/

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Post by newscracker »

dylan604 wrote: post #67
stephen82 wrote: post #14

OK, seriously now...first Canon, now Adobe? Am I missing something here, what's going on?!

Push QA to users. What could go wrong?

> Push QA to users.

“We need to increase our margins and we know our users aren’t going to abandon us. Where will they even go to since we have them held hostage all these years?“ evil snide laughter

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Post by dylan604 »

newscracker wrote: post #76
dylan604 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Push QA to users. What could go wrong?

> Push QA to users. “We need to increase our margins and we know our users aren’t going to abandon us. Where will they even go to since we have them held hostage all these years?“ evil snide laughter

you forgot the mustache twirl

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Post by pitzips »

benrbray wrote: post #3

Well, this is as good a time as any then to try out Darktable [1]! [1] https://www.darktable.org/

Rawtherapee is another top contender. I use it in conjunction with Affinity Photo and have been happy with the workflow.

Re: Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Post by marta_morena_25 »

dylan604 wrote: post #65
clumsysmurf wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its worse than that (from 2019) "Adobe this week began sending some users of its Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, Premiere, Animate, and Media Director programs a letter warning them that they were no longer legally authorized to use the software they may have thought they owned." https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xk3p/adobe-tells-users-...

I don't know why this is such a shock to people reading HN. EULAs have always granted a license to use typically on a single computer. They have never granted a license to own (would gladly be proven wrong if someone has an example). It's not your code. You can't own it. I'm sure they are concerned about having to support the legacy code. Yes, converting to 100% subscription based users, but if they can pull the plug…

Would it? Great. Let's just all applaud, justify and support what is best for all corporations and see where we get with that, nay?
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