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Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by ryansmccoy »

Cactus2018 wrote: post #2

Recommend sources for human culture/civilization history from 10,000 B.C. to 5,000 B.C.? Most of the top search results and Wikipedia entries tap out on cultures prior to ~5,000-~3,000 B.C. Of course there are stand alone pages such as Neolithic_founder_crops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_agriculture Chalocolithic Period https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalcolithic

Joe Rogan had some interesting guys, Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson, that talked about lost civilizations due to asteroid in 10,000 BC. Sounded like there is some controversy around it though, so take it however you'd like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDejwCGdUV8&t=781s

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by wl »

marc_abonce wrote: post #75
jandrese wrote: post #54

It's pretty common for archeology to be scanty when a civilization doesn't leave behind any writings to study. If you want to be remembered you gotta write stuff down, and do so in a way that survives the ages. It also helps to be closer to the modern era. Complaints that the Greek and Roman empires are better known seem a bit silly when you consider that they were in their peak closer to the present day than they we…

Kushites did have writing though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meroitic_script .

It's not writing that's well understood. There's no parallel texts like the Rosetta Stone. Also, Meroitic isn't closely related to any other language we have knowledge of. As a result, we can read a few names and little else.

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by Papirola »

legerdemain wrote: post #64

"Kushi" is still a current slur against black people in Israel and other Hebrew-speaking areas.[1] It's a bit like calling someone a "chinaman." Also, some people point out the sound similarity of קוֹף (monkey) and כושי (Kushite). [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-rabbi-compares-african-a...

these words do not sound even remotely similar.

source: I'm Israeli, fluent in Hebrew.

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by torstenvl »

monadic2 wrote: post #87
torstenvl wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Herodotus narrates the Athenians promising that they would never betray the Spartans because they are the same race ("homaimos" → "same blood"). I don't know off the top of my head whether the Romans widely knew of the Histories, but it certainly undercuts your claim that these broader categorizations are a recent invention. The Athenians and Spartans clearly recognized a racial idea broader than the cultures of thei…

That is not race. Ethnicity and race are distinct concepts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by jacobush »

usrusr wrote: post #80
thaumasiotes wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the popular imagination? The Romans were conquering barbaric tribes that aren't worth talking about in detail, I think. There was plenty of interaction, but the thing about those insignificant barbaric tribes is that they aren't worth conquering either.

And there's a simple rule that's obvious even in a superficial read of de bello gallico: don't cultivate wheat and the legions won't bother you.

Now it’s cultivate nukes and the legions won’t bother you.

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by dtwest »

monadic2 wrote: post #83
elefanten wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As expressed by sibling comments -- skin color is irrelevant to my point. If it's not skin color, it's "those people beyond the mountains" or "the river folk to the south" or "the Babylonians" or whatever. I'm talking about tribal/identitarian discrimination that ascribes essential natures/behaviors to "other" peoples. This narrowly-defined and elevated notion of racism along the lines of skin color, Atlantic slave t…

Edit: downvoting this without a response is pretty much against the guidelines, I am hardly distracting from the conversation here, and the downvote is not a "disagree" button. I put in a lot of effort to showing you why you have a shallow understanding of the topic; I'm open to being wrong. Xenophobia and racism are completely separate concepts, although xenophobia does underly racism. It's entirely possible to cons…

Why is the Gates Foundation a foreign "charity"? What does that mean / what do the quotes imply?

I didn't downvote, but I'm not really following what you're saying.

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by legerdemain »

drorco wrote: post #90
legerdemain wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They claimed that describing this word as a slur is inaccurate. This word is commonly used and described as a slur.

I think what happens is that overtime certain groups have taken "ownership" over the word by using it as a racial slur but originally it just means "someone from Kush". In Hebrew if you take a location and add "I" as a suffix it means someone originating from that place, e.g: "Americai"-> someone from America, "Kushi"-> someone from Kush which is a country occasionally used in the bible to refer to Africa. I guess in…

Look, this is just childish equivocation. A lot of words that are considered offensive also have (or used to have) other, innocuous meanings. What you're doing is like a child saying "Nah-uh, this word just means happy!"

A word is offensive in polite society because a population of people finds it hurtful, or because another population of people uses it in an intentionally hurtful way. Usually it's both. Innocent words can become slurs, and other slurs, over time, can become obscure and lose their power.

For example, the "n-word" in English obviously comes from the Spanish or Portuguese for the color black. Despite that, it's an offensive slur.

The older colloquial term in the English language for Romani people apparently comes from the word "Egyptian." There is no problem with being Egyptian. But many people find this particular word hurtful, and polite society is actively trying to retire it.

Maybe you have personal ideas about what "should" or "shouldn't" be hurtful, but I'm surprised that we don't seem to agree on how people actually use these words in reality. "Kushi" can be a slur even if your grandma's pet name for you was "my little Kushi" and you love that word to death.

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by ROARosen »

legerdemain wrote: post #64

"Kushi" is still a current slur against black people in Israel and other Hebrew-speaking areas.[1] It's a bit like calling someone a "chinaman." Also, some people point out the sound similarity of קוֹף (monkey) and כושי (Kushite). [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-rabbi-compares-african-a...

>t's a bit like calling someone a "chinaman."

The Talmud speaks of an Etrog "Hakushi" to describle a black Etrog (Jewish ritual fruit). Not necessarily one that comes from "Kush".

"Kushi" is not more a slur than "Black". That is to say it is NOT a slur, although it CAN be used in a negative fashion when used in a sentence in conjunction with stereotypes associated with the black community. It all depends on the context of what is said.

It is totally not resembling "chinaman" in the context of it being used for describing negative stereotypes associated with the term. Though it is also not like "englishman" which is usually used in connotation with positive stereotypes.

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by legerdemain »

ROARosen wrote: post #98
legerdemain wrote: post #64

"Kushi" is still a current slur against black people in Israel and other Hebrew-speaking areas.[1] It's a bit like calling someone a "chinaman." Also, some people point out the sound similarity of קוֹף (monkey) and כושי (Kushite). [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-rabbi-compares-african-a...

>t's a bit like calling someone a "chinaman." The Talmud speaks of an Etrog "Hakushi" to describle a black Etrog (Jewish ritual fruit). Not necessarily one that comes from "Kush". "Kushi" is not more a slur than "Black". That is to say it is NOT a slur, although it CAN be used in a negative fashion when used in a sentence in conjunction with stereotypes associated with the black community. It all depends on the conte…

Yes, I am aware of the fact that some people are adamant that the word "kushi" is harmless and wonderful, and that black people shouldn't feel hurt when this word is used to disparage them.[1]

http://www.jewishmag.com/180mag/kushi/kushi.htm

Re: The Kush civilization flourished in Sudan nearly 5K years ago

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Post by edgyquant »

ryansmccoy wrote: post #91
Cactus2018 wrote: post #2

Recommend sources for human culture/civilization history from 10,000 B.C. to 5,000 B.C.? Most of the top search results and Wikipedia entries tap out on cultures prior to ~5,000-~3,000 B.C. Of course there are stand alone pages such as Neolithic_founder_crops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_agriculture Chalocolithic Period https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalcolithic

Joe Rogan had some interesting guys, Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson, that talked about lost civilizations due to asteroid in 10,000 BC. Sounded like there is some controversy around it though, so take it however you'd like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDejwCGdUV8&t=781s

This is pseudohistory at best
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