Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

Post by strbean » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 9:07 PM UTC

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #129

serjester wrote: post #99

Completely anecdotal but I bring this question up every time I drive in an Uber and overwhelmingly the drivers tell me they want to stay independent. No one is forcing drivers into their jobs. I really struggle to understand why we need bureaucrats imposing their idea of what a market should look like on an fairly efficient market. From my experience the drivers are perfectly aware of the costs that go into driving s…

They want to stay independent, fine. Then actually treat them like independent contractors. Let them set rates. Let them decline rides without facing penalties by the platform. Make the changes necessary to fit the independent contractor model. And not just the rideshare company, but the state too: these workers need unemployment insurance, as Covid has shown, and somebody needs to pay for it: be it the workers or th…

Post by node-bayarea » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 9:08 PM UTC

rrose wrote: post #128

Aarostotle wrote: post #73

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It only enabled the technological foundations to do all of the above.

none of those things required technology. pre-industrial society would not have collapsed if laborers had weekends and a minimum wage

Post by kbenson » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 9:09 PM UTC

geodel wrote: post #182

cltby wrote: post #111

> Seems like a loss for everyone except bureaucrats Not true, it's a great opportunity for javascript developers to get up on their soap boxes and share with us their moral and economic wisdom.

Indeed. This is great point. JS developers have made seminal contribution to our collective well being by their virtuous signals and thoughtful commentary on anything that matters. With the advent of E-protests they are finally being able to highlight against injustices taking place anywhere in the world.

Post by SahAssar » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 9:11 PM UTC

ericd wrote: post #163

coldpie wrote: post #78

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I'm not a resident of California (rather, Minnesota), but I do want it to change. I don't use gig services because I think anyone doing 40[1] hours of work deserves a wage they can live off of, along all the other employment protections we've worked so hard to implement. Gig services are cheap because they don't meet that requirement. If gig services were required to meet that minimum wage and workers' rights, then I…

And where does that "enough money to live off of" come from? Unless the company has a lot of fat to trim, it has to come from customers in the form of higher prices, or from investors throwing more cash onto the bonfire. What happens when customers would rather not use your service than pay the amount whatever you're proposing takes? It's very possible that this market only exists at the size that it does at a price…

Post by Retric » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 9:12 PM UTC

bsimpson wrote: post #196

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #129

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They want to stay independent, fine. Then actually treat them like independent contractors. Let them set rates. Let them decline rides without facing penalties by the platform. Make the changes necessary to fit the independent contractor model. And not just the rideshare company, but the state too: these workers need unemployment insurance, as Covid has shown, and somebody needs to pay for it: be it the workers or th…

We expect eBay/Amazon/Etsy to enforce standards on their platforms, but no one would argue that their sellers are employees. I'm not convinced that having price and ride quality standards invalidates the contractor relationship.