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We make choices within contexts other people create.
And your solution is to take away more choices from people?
Like for example, it's illegal to sell yourself into slavery or indentured servitude. That's a choice you are not legally allowed to make.
Completely anecdotal but I bring this question up every time I drive in an Uber and overwhelmingly the drivers tell me they want to stay independent. No one is forcing drivers into their jobs. I really struggle to understand why we need bureaucrats imposing their idea of what a market should look like on an fairly efficient market. From my experience the drivers are perfectly aware of the costs that go into driving s…
Why should a supposedly free society be free to accept only how Uber or Lyft might have it?
It isn’t just bureaucrats but the public that votes them in. You’re cherry picking bits n pieces from the broader social narrative to highlight. Why should anyone care what any random poster on HN thinks is just as valid and vapid a question once you take 5 minutes to think it over.
HN is just as knee jerky and shallow as Twitter and Reddit. Don’t kid yourselves folks
Good, this can wait till Covid-19, forest-fires and other urgent matters right now in California have been taken care of.
Completely anecdotal but I bring this question up every time I drive in an Uber and overwhelmingly the drivers tell me they want to stay independent. No one is forcing drivers into their jobs. I really struggle to understand why we need bureaucrats imposing their idea of what a market should look like on an fairly efficient market. From my experience the drivers are perfectly aware of the costs that go into driving s…
They want to stay independent, fine. Then actually treat them like independent contractors. Let them set rates. Let them decline rides without facing penalties by the platform. Make the changes necessary to fit the independent contractor model. And not just the rideshare company, but the state too: these workers need unemployment insurance, as Covid has shown, and somebody needs to pay for it: be it the workers or th…
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They want to stay independent, fine. Then actually treat them like independent contractors. Let them set rates. Let them decline rides without facing penalties by the platform. Make the changes necessary to fit the independent contractor model. And not just the rideshare company, but the state too: these workers need unemployment insurance, as Covid has shown, and somebody needs to pay for it: be it the workers or th…
We expect eBay/Amazon/Etsy to enforce standards on their platforms, but no one would argue that their sellers are employees. I'm not convinced that having price and ride quality standards invalidates the contractor relationship.
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They want to stay independent, fine. Then actually treat them like independent contractors. Let them set rates. Let them decline rides without facing penalties by the platform. Make the changes necessary to fit the independent contractor model. And not just the rideshare company, but the state too: these workers need unemployment insurance, as Covid has shown, and somebody needs to pay for it: be it the workers or th…
> Let them decline rides without facing penalties by the platform. Does the model of IC have to imply that every ride is a new, independent contract? Is there no other reasonable model in which multiple rides are part of one contract? Why?
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We should all care. Uber doesn't provide health insurance. Instead Uber drivers get their healthcare costs covered by the rest of us (either via ACA subsidies or written-off care provided to the uninsured).
Uber drivers pay taxes on earnings as contractors too. This at least partially covers ACA subsidies (if not fully). And we subsidize employer-provided healthcare also, hence its existence.
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imo biggest problem with the independent argument is Uber and Lyft actively penalizes you as a driver if you decline unprofitable trips. Also I believe Lyft (unsure about Uber) even stopped showing you how much you make per trip and instead just rolls it into one summary, presumably to make it harder for you to do the cost/benefit of deciding whether a trip is worth doing. that sort of big brother behavior is the ant…
I agree, the driver's independence is only one way : when convenient to them. Both Uber and Lift should lower their cut and stop these practices if they really want the drivers to remain independent
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You're suggesting that the retired, teenagers, stay-at-home parents, and college students make up the majority of the US working population? Yeah, not buying that one at all. The US economy is fucked right now, we've been madly spinning the plate to try to keep it going, but it's starting to wobble badly. Unless something major is done soon it's only a question of when not if things start to implode.
> You're suggesting that the retired, teenagers, stay-at-home parents, and college students make up the majority of the US working population? Yeah, not buying that one at all. No where did I say this. What are you talking about?
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Making them employees doesn't give them health insurance. Only if they work over 30 hours a week, which Uber is highly incentived to cap. Besides, what you are actually stating is that Uber riders should pay for Uber driver's health insurance, rather than the general population.
Correct. Uber drivers should play by the same health insurance rules as other workers. And under today's laws that requires they become employees. Ideally health insurance should be decoupled from employment status, but until then, we should all play by the same rules.
(This seems to be more about minimum wage, workers comp, UI, etc. which they would get)