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Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Another group caught in the collateral damage is people in wheelchairs. Paratransit sucks in most places and where wheelchair accessible Uber/Lyft is available they provide a much better service. This is an especially vulnerable population because it's not like a wheelchair user can just find a friend with an accessible vehicle to take them to appointments, etc.

What did people in wheelchairs do before these rideshare apps were around?

Waste a lot of time waiting for paratransit to show up.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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post #7

So this is basically an admission that the ridesharing business model is not viable without worker exploitation?

The vast majority of freelancers do not feel like they are being exploited. Source: I run a company that helps freelance/contract software engineers find work.

I have you ever worked as a freelancer? I have and so do many many people I know. Go to a bar with all your freelancing friends and play this drinking game: take a drink every time your client has shafted you.

You will be drunk very quickly.

https://vimeo.com/22053820

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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That's a good point. I think immigration is great for the country. And I never mind it my neighbors come from the mid-west or from Central America or wherever. I just get sick of people bashing California. It outgrows the rest of the country at an amazing rate, spawns world beating companies, and then people say it is socialist.

California also has the highest poverty rate in the country when you adjust for cost of living. The successes of people within a state might be because the state. Or it might be despite the state. I think a lot of California’s success is despite the state’s actions or policies. Reasonable minds can disagree.

Nah. CA funds healthcare, environmental laws, a great public university system, CCPA etc and in general enacts many pro-people laws. Many of these are then enacted nationally. So its disingenuous to characterize the state as obstructing progress when its clearly done the opposite.

The comparison I like to make is with TX. If Texas was even moderately liberal/centrist and enacted commonsense policies (Medicaid expansion, State taxes to fund healthcare education etc) it would do a LOT better. Now, Texas HAS been successful despite its Government doing nothing/actively getting in the way.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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post #359

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Friend does this - she raves about the results.

I definitely recommend it for dental work. You can easily find a dentist in Mexico that went to school in the US and has the same credentials. You'll save so much money.

Just remember that you might be displacing poor locals from getting the treatment instead. Poor countries have bigger shortage of good doctors and they prioritise foreign appointments due to getting paid more than the local prices.

Edit: This is true for India which is a top medical tourism place:

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/implications-india-me...

https://scroll.in/article/931857/with-20-medical-professiona...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC404528

http://www.who.int/hrh/resources/16058health_workforce_India...

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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What people are not talking about is how much congestion these services bring to city streets. For San Francisco traffic congestion increased by 60% between 2010-2016[1] and Lyft/Uber contributed to half of that. That is very bad as more traffic leads to more traffic accidents, more fatalities and pedestrians getting hit. In addition lets not forget the heavy toll on the environment with air pollution and its myriad…

If Muni was any good, people wouldn't have used ridesharing. Ridesharing costs a bit more. This just shows that public transit in SF is so bad that people would rather pay more money for a taxi.

Don't forget the stigma that public transit is for dirty poor people. Rideshare is a bit of a classist thing.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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post #74

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The average person's response to being told they'd have to take another driver's test isn't to replace driving with Uber/Lyft. You're in a unique position to be able to afford to replace all driving with ridesharing, since gas+insurance+maintenance costs are much lower than say, a month of commuting to an office via rideshare.

There are tons of people who could have replaced their car with rideshare and maybe some public transit, and still come out cheaper. Insurance, parking, fuel, depreciation, maintenance, and random events add up. If you don't need it for commuting, most of the recurring rideshare costs vanish. If you need to make an extra long occasional trip, car rental for a day or two outweighs ownership. Edit: To be clear, anythin…

most of what people need cars for is shopping, a problem that is more efficiently addressed with delivery.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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"As employees they would have to work set schedules and shifts, would not be able to work for multiple app-based companies and would have reduced earning potential — and many jobs would actually be eliminated." (https://prop22facts.com/lyft/)

Is that something mandated by California? As far as I know, everywhere else I've been, work-schedules and anti-moonlighting are restrictions placed by the employer, not the state.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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A lot of these issues would go away if employers weren't responsible for providing healthcare group plans. But then again Europe also has similar drives to classify Uber/Lyft drivers as full time employees so they are entitled to other benefits and employment securities (but those don't exist in a very strong form in the USA anyways).

Employers are not required to provide health plans. The issue is that Uber provides _some_ employees with health plans while keeping their lower-paid workers classified as contractors, even if they work essentially full-time.

Am I an employee of the bottle machine company if I deposit bottles I find? Do they owe me healthcare and a minimum wage if I took more than an hour to find so many bottles? How is uber any different?

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Lot of my friends who work in non tech jobs use driving for Uber or Lyft as a way to either get a little extra cash, or bridge themselves across gaps in employment. This would devastate them. Absolutely heartless move on behalf of the California government. Don’t kick the little guys while they’re down to make some political point. It’s not the time.

I think you have it backwards: I blame the billion dollar companies for being heartless. The government works to prevent exploitation of the poor.

Re: Rideshare operations are being suspended in California

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Both parties have supported Fed leadership that relied on worker insecurity to keep people in their jobs: https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/27/business/job-insecurity-o... America does not have a stories history of being labor friendly. It’s pretty much old European pissing competitions imported anew after WW2. Identity which the country had begun to schlep off between the Gilded Age and WW1. Refugees brought it back o…

Were I rich right now, being educated enough to understand history, and looking at the relative income gap being larger than the french revolution, I'd be wanting to redistribute some wealth right now myself, lest it be taken by force. A 3% wealth tax seems "extreme" right now, but it will be preferable if the wedge making the poor fight each other breaks down.

The people who become obscenely wealthy in this country become so precisely because they have so little regard for others and almost no comprehension of the long-term impacts of massive inequality (either to the nation or their own physical security). And the system has become so perverse and adept at indoctrination that these people are heralded as heros when they drop a few crumbs from the table.
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