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Re: Can't you just right click?

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richiebful1 wrote: post #614
adriancr wrote: post #536

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I know it is important, that and exterior looks of the hardware. Still, I do not have UI issues and the polish is fine on Linux, was explaining how to get there. Problem is people expect a 300$ Linux laptop to work like a mac usually... when you would need a similar priced dell xps or lenovo carbon x1 plus manufacturer to support Linux, like dell developer edition.

I agree. There are several distros (especially something like Elementary OS) that are pretty darn easy to pick up as a Windows user. I set up my very non-technical grandma up with Elementary OS and she loved it. I don't think the obstacles to adoption are based on the merits of Linux (or lack thereof). The obstacles are institutional. Businesses don't want to adopt Linux because that's a risk, and most people know Wi…

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Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by aequitas »

gramakri wrote: post #111
cuddlybacon wrote: post #6

This feature is at about the right spot for me. It is still convenient enough for me to run software I want that isn't signed, but sufficiently obtuse that neither of my parents have figured it out. Given they are both prone to running any executable that any website tells them to download and run, this feature has probably save me several dozen hours of fixing their computers.

Don't they need admin privileges to install? Why give them admin ?

You don’t need admin to simply run software on macOS. And even then installed is (or should be) nothing more than extracting the app to a directory and running it. Installers are and anti pattern in macOS afaic.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by edelhans »

LocutusOfBorges wrote: post #291
Wohlf wrote: post #222

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You may be surprised how much equivalent laptops from other OEMs have caught up. The Dell XPS is very similar to the Macbook Pro, and Dell supports Ubuntu on it.

The XPS line had some of the worst speakers I’ve ever heard on a laptop up until the 2020 revision- and some of the worst build quality issues I’ve ever experienced with a laptop. My 2019 XPS 15 went through eight at-home repair visits after hardware failures within four months. Can honestly say I’ve never used a less reliable machine- and every unit I’ve ever touched has had some of the worst coil wine issues I’ve e…

If we're sharing anecdotes I also have a XPS13 9650 which is now over 4 years old and I never had any issues whatsoever with it. Runs Linux since day one and I could not be happier.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by tomp »

habosa wrote: post #490
fizzled wrote: post #310

All of these people saying: switch to Windows, its better than mac! Have you really done that? REALLY? Because I work on Mac, Win10 and Linux every day. And Win10 doesn't even come close to the other two in terms of reliability, stability, and lack of unnecessary bullshit. I just don't understand who can make this claim that Win is better than Macos with a straight face. Maybe for gaming. Maybe. The cost/fps is clear…

I used exclusively Mac on my personal machines from 2005 to 2018. Then I switched to a Windows 10 laptop mostly because I was curious and it was cheap. Windows 10 + WSL is amazing. It's definitely getting better all the time while macOS is getting worse each year. Plus more and more I just seem to only need Chrome, VSCode, and a Terminal. So yes I have done it, and I now prefer Windows.

> Windows 10 + WSL is amazing.

It truly is. Especially Surface Go - the best portable computer IMO (iPads aren't real computers).

Until it forcefully restarts to update overnight, killing all you apps.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by davidwparker »

fizzled wrote: post #310

All of these people saying: switch to Windows, its better than mac! Have you really done that? REALLY? Because I work on Mac, Win10 and Linux every day. And Win10 doesn't even come close to the other two in terms of reliability, stability, and lack of unnecessary bullshit. I just don't understand who can make this claim that Win is better than Macos with a straight face. Maybe for gaming. Maybe. The cost/fps is clear…

I switched to Win10 last November after 7 years on OSX (and 9 years before that on Linux). I've had no issues with it. Are you sure you use Win10 everyday?

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by GnarfGnarf »

jyrkesh wrote: post #274
lucb1e wrote: post #2

This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…

In my day job, I work on a relatively large open-source non-GUI application macOS is becoming an increasingly difficult platform on which to release software. We're going down the notarization rabbit hole (which is a nightmare), but given that we don't fit on the App Store, it's very obvious that Apple doesn't want us on the platform. My suspicion is that they will eventually charge $$$ for a "developer unlock" on Ap…

I agree. Coming from Windows, preparing an installer for macOS is insanely complicated, a huge consumption of developer time.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by adriancr »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #629
adriancr wrote: post #498

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Well... your choice is: - windows 10 - no privacy, hello telemetry, cortana, etc. - mac os - no freedom to do anything not allowed by apple - Linux - polish / ui issues? At least with Linux once I configure it right it works without issue and does everything I want. Currently that means kubuntu 20.04, AMD GPU (or intel integrated) and laptops that say they support it (Dell/Lenovo) or self built desktop. (I used gnome…

> At least with Linux once I configure it right it works without issue and does everything I want. Until an update breaks it because some asshole decided to break an ABI, or swap out a fundamental system component with a different one, etc. So I guess what you're saying is true so long as you never update anything.

Do you have concrete experience for that?

I have only 3 things I hit:

- NVIDIA driver updates (or kernel updates while using nvidia) - caused black screen... I dumped nvidia... these are due to crappy nvidia.

- Ubuntu deciding to remove old libraries/apps that are not maintained. That's fixed via docker or just keeping an old version.

- Major version upgrades (ubuntu 18 to 20) - here I just re-install and it's expected, I wouldn't upgrade windows 7 to 10 either...

Other then this I'm not sure what you are referring to?, systemd vs sysvinit? (you only get annoyed by those if you are a power user anyway)

Note: I set up automatic updates packages every day and have not hit issues.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by UnFleshedOne »

Spivak wrote: post #615
pjmlp wrote: post #600

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Like 1000 euros per year for a MSDN Professional license, or the required certification from several vendors that have to be renewed every couple years.

Or having to pay Red Hat for support to get access to their KB, get updates, and pay separate licenses if you want any of their premium software offerings. Or having to shell out for console dev kits and game engines. And the embedded software world is even worse. The exception is being able realistically develop for a platform without little/no expense. People really are spoiled by FOSS tooling.

That the exact purpose of all the FOSS tooling -- to make tools free, so more things can get created? Make all FOSS paid and enforce the licensing and you will bankrupt a lot of small commercial companies that rely on them too. Then really a few giants will remain.

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Post by spideymans »

Shivetya wrote: post #501
spideymans wrote: post #306

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>Doesn't take a genius to see that their end goal is to make mac os as restrictive as ios. I've been hearing that for the past decade. With the exception of some reasonably deprecated technologies (32-bit support, etc...), to this day I'm able to run essentially all of the software on my Mac that I did back in 2010. If and when Apple does prohibit the running of third party apps, I'll switch to another platform. Unti…

Not sure how reasonable that really was, a good majority of my Steam library went unusable in one upgrade. There should have been some virtualization option available still the real concern many have is, with the switch to ARM based processors will MacOS effectively inherit the restrictions of iOS

>Not sure how reasonable that really was, a good majority of my Steam library went unusable in one upgrade. There should have been some virtualization option available

Apple had been transitioning to 64-bit for over a decade when they finally dropped 32-bit support. That transition period is more than reasonable.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by GnarfGnarf »

aequitas wrote: post #632
gramakri wrote: post #111

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Don't they need admin privileges to install? Why give them admin ?

You don’t need admin to simply run software on macOS. And even then installed is (or should be) nothing more than extracting the app to a directory and running it. Installers are and anti pattern in macOS afaic.

What if the app is required to "do stuff" during the installation? Ex: informing a related app of its availability, writing an installation date for trial period expiration, etc. You need to do that with a script or auxiliary program, which is invoked at installation.
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