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Post by jbergens »

catmistake wrote: post #604

Disabling Gatekeeper From the Apple menu, open the "System Preferences" application. Click on Security & Privacy > General tab. If the lock in the left-hand corner is locked, click on it, then enter your Mac's username and password. This may not be required. Click "Anywhere" under "Allow applications downloaded from:". If you followed Step 3, please click the lock in the left-hand corner to return it to its locked st…

Sounds like a security disaster for non-technical users. It is much better to trust a specific app from now on than to trust the entire internet from now on.

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Post by badsectoracula »

nicky0 wrote: post #413
badsectoracula wrote: post #105

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I understood it perfectly, which is why i wrote "you cannot run unsigned software" instead of "all software must be notarized by Apple".

Disingenuous. "Signed software" is generally understood to mean signed with am Apple-issued certificate. The fact that you can ad-hoc sign with no certificate at all makes that kind of signing little more than a linker step. You might as well have said "you cannot run uncompiled software" for all the relevance it has.

I never understood "signed software" to mean anything else than "signed software", which includes "self signed software" since that software is also signed. And "self signed software" does run in Apple Silicon, at least for now.

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Post by zeveb »

pjmlp wrote: post #571
nanna wrote: post #522

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I'm happy for OSM, that's great for you and in turn the community. But what about small open source projects? One-person projects where the idea of having several people working on securing legal non-profit status and then acquiring non-profit signing certificates from Apple is for all intents and purposes impossible? And certainly not worth just coughing up the annual $99 fee (+tax) to Apple? $99+ every year is a lo…

Outrageous is the entitlement of the current generations for not paying for their tools. Many of us used to pay for every single piece of software that we had to run on top of our already expensive computer around 2000 euros on today's money.

> Outrageous is the entitlement of the current generations for not paying for their tools.

Sure, but in the case of an open-source developer working on macOS, he has already paid for his operating system; if he is using GCC, he has already paid everything the GCC developers require; why then must he pay extra money to Apple in order for other people to run his software in a straightforward manner on their machines (or, in the future, at all)? How is Apple even a party when two people wish to transact, when one writes and compiles free software on his hardware (paid for) and software (paid for) and the other runs it on his hardware (paid for) and software (paid for)?

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Post by richiebful1 »

adriancr wrote: post #536
yoz-y wrote: post #532

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Do not underestimate how important polish and UI issues are to many people.

I know it is important, that and exterior looks of the hardware. Still, I do not have UI issues and the polish is fine on Linux, was explaining how to get there. Problem is people expect a 300$ Linux laptop to work like a mac usually... when you would need a similar priced dell xps or lenovo carbon x1 plus manufacturer to support Linux, like dell developer edition.

I agree. There are several distros (especially something like Elementary OS) that are pretty darn easy to pick up as a Windows user. I set up my very non-technical grandma up with Elementary OS and she loved it.

I don't think the obstacles to adoption are based on the merits of Linux (or lack thereof). The obstacles are institutional. Businesses don't want to adopt Linux because that's a risk, and most people know Windows/Microsoft Office. Average people don't want to take a risk (installing Linux/buying a Linux box) with a device that is a decent-sized investment for most people.

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Post by Spivak »

pjmlp wrote: post #600
nanna wrote: post #582

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This is a nice example of what a logician calls a false cause: your conclusion (definition of outrageous) isn't supported by your premise (how much you used to pay for kit). It's also a straw man, since I was talking about an OS developer wanting to publish their software, and you're attempting to sink it by portraying it as referring to a consumer wanting free stuff. The subject of your conclusion, 'current generati…

Like 1000 euros per year for a MSDN Professional license, or the required certification from several vendors that have to be renewed every couple years.

Or having to pay Red Hat for support to get access to their KB, get updates, and pay separate licenses if you want any of their premium software offerings. Or having to shell out for console dev kits and game engines. And the embedded software world is even worse.

The exception is being able realistically develop for a platform without little/no expense. People really are spoiled by FOSS tooling.

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Post by manquer »

ubermonkey wrote: post #587
manquer wrote: post #154

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You stop using Apple and go to a reasonable OS. You and I are not going to help Apple keep their $2T valuation, we are no longer the market not been one for 5 + years for Apple Apple moved their focus from the professional market who were willing to pay premium for productivity with better UX/Hardware/Software, to people paying just the premium . It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not beca…

>It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not because there is real value they gain for the higher cost. People who do not see the value love to say this, but it doesn't make it true.

for more than 10 years I loved using Apple . My first introduction to Apple came during the G5 times in edit studios with Final Cut Pro I would rent those on hourly rate even when it was 30-35% costlier than Avid and premier pro . The project always ended cheaper because Apple was that good . My first computer was Apple the Airs were a great product , I loved the MagSafe port I loved the build quality when they move to aluminium. Half my company uses Apple because I evangelised them so hard . Therr a lot of people whose first Apple laptop was because of me.

Today I use a system76, I have used various thinkpads over last few years , I would recommend thinkpad any day over similar priced Apple .

I don’t see value for the cost anymore .

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Post by LocalH »

pjmlp wrote: post #571
nanna wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy for OSM, that's great for you and in turn the community. But what about small open source projects? One-person projects where the idea of having several people working on securing legal non-profit status and then acquiring non-profit signing certificates from Apple is for all intents and purposes impossible? And certainly not worth just coughing up the annual $99 fee (+tax) to Apple? $99+ every year is a lo…

Outrageous is the entitlement of the current generations for not paying for their tools. Many of us used to pay for every single piece of software that we had to run on top of our already expensive computer around 2000 euros on today's money.

You sound like the people against student loan reform because “I had to pay mine back, why shouldn’t they”. That’s peak entitlement, demanding others suffer because you did.

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Post by cesarb »

pjmlp wrote: post #571
nanna wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy for OSM, that's great for you and in turn the community. But what about small open source projects? One-person projects where the idea of having several people working on securing legal non-profit status and then acquiring non-profit signing certificates from Apple is for all intents and purposes impossible? And certainly not worth just coughing up the annual $99 fee (+tax) to Apple? $99+ every year is a lo…

Outrageous is the entitlement of the current generations for not paying for their tools. Many of us used to pay for every single piece of software that we had to run on top of our already expensive computer around 2000 euros on today's money.

This is not about paying for a tool. This USD 99 is a tax paid to Apple to be allowed to distribute the software you wrote, regardless of which tool you used to write it. It could be written with a free tool, it could be written with an expensive tool, it doesn't matter; everyone who wants to distribute software to run on macOS has to pay that tax.

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

zaarn wrote: post #606
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #597

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Not too relevant here, but I think the main thing keeping regular people from installing open source software is that most OSS is an unpolished usability nightmare compared to commercial counterparts.

Krita is an unpolished usability nightmare compared to commercial counterparts? Why does a project like Krita have to pay apple tax? Why does it even matter if it's a usability nightmare if the user wants it they should be able to install it if it's open source.

I've never used Krita, it looks nice though and I like seeing well polished OSS, but a specific example says nothing about the general trend.

> Why does it even matter if it's a usability nightmare if the user wants it they should be able to install it if it's open source

Sure. And users are able to install it... it's just a little hidden. My point is if you can't even figure that out then you probably can't figure out most OSS either. Most.

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Post by giovannibajo1 »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #423
spideymans wrote: post #303

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Which CAs are available for Windows, and how much do they cost, out of curiosity? Not a Windows developer.

I paid $240 for a four year certificate in 2017. I think the maximum length is three years now though. KSoftware has a really good reputation. https://www.ksoftware.net/

I’ve been using Tucows for many years. They resell Comodo code-signing certificates for ~75$ / yr (less if you buy multiple years)
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