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Re: Can't you just right click?

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Nobody can deny that macOS has the most integrated system especially if you own an iPhone/iPad/iWatch. However, for development, it's going to depend. Excluding iOS/macOS development, the macOS is becoming less and less attractive even for web developers.

In your opinion, what is making it less attractive?

Comparing to Linux: Tiling Window Manager, Package Manager, Much less apps/processes running on your system, Docker integration. It's also moving more toward an iOS like OS.

On the downside, Linux still doesn't have an advanced GUI Git app and other cool stuff like Paw.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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>Doesn't take a genius to see that their end goal is to make mac os as restrictive as ios. I've been hearing that for the past decade. With the exception of some reasonably deprecated technologies (32-bit support, etc...), to this day I'm able to run essentially all of the software on my Mac that I did back in 2010. If and when Apple does prohibit the running of third party apps, I'll switch to another platform. Unti…

> I'll switch to another platform What makes me sad is there is nowhere to switch to seamlessly. The writing has been on the wall since gatekeeper was introduced, but we stayed because there is just no better option. Some options are viable, but require sacrificing a decent chunk of the comfort we have now. It's the eternal waiting for the "year of desktop linux" except we moved the goalpost to laptop linux, battery…

I still really don't understand why people get SO ANGRY about Gatekeeper. It's an excellent idea! Enforcing signed binaries by default is the correction option on a consumer OS. It's saved many, many folks many, many hours of hassle in fixing Aunt Millie's computer at Thanksgiving.

And people like you and me can turn it off.

It's not at all clear that Apple will remove the ability to run unsigned binaries. As of now, it's FUD. That's all.

And, moreover, it's mostly FUD in places like this from people who hate Apple anyway.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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This cascade of comments is missing the point. It's like someone is pointing out the darker shade of clouds at the horizon and saying, "I think a storm is coming," and everyone here is just going, "Well, it could also be nightfall. I mean, the night has to roll on in at some point too." Yes, it's just an initial check. But is it necessary? What exactly is the use case basis for Apple transmitting and logging data on…

The use case is checking for malware. macOS is, in fact, susceptible to malware. (A notable example hit HN just the other day [1].) I don't think Apple has ever literally claimed that it isn't susceptible, though they may have sort of hinted at it (especially at the height of the "Get a Mac" campaign). To be fair, there has not been very much macOS malware then or now, though it's questionable how much that has to do…

As drawfloat pointed out, Apple doesn't have to explicitly guarantee no susceptibility to malware. The FTC Act considers anything from an Elon Musk tweet about flamethrowers to a casual joke at Apple's Keynote, and weighs whether a reasonable consumer would expect the product to reflect that claim. That doesn't mean implied guarantees are as easily prosecuted. But it does mean that when Tim Cook or Steve Jobs, or another named executive, is on stage and says something along the lines of, "We don't have the same problems as Windows," and a reasonable audience member understands he's referring to malware risk on macOS vs Windows, that's enough to say Apple has made a legal guarantee to the consumer. The law is open-ended like this because promises can look like anything, from outright printing FREE SAME-DAY SHIPPING to printing in an FAQ that most orders arrive within 7 days. If it wasn't cost prohibitive, you could actually file a small claim against, say, Amazon, for a two-day Prime delivery not arriving within two days.

The broader point though, is that Apple has established the belief that macOS is not susceptible to malware. That's why people don't "need" a virus scanner running in the background.

And this belief is widespread enough that it warrants questioning the basis of a use case for this check: Why does macOS need to send my data to a remote server upon initial load of each application to verify it with Apple's whitelist (approve-list? what's the right term these days?), if the operating system's existing protection has to date fulfilled the implied guarantee by CEO, Tim Cook, and former CEO, Steve Jobs, of zero or limited, but otherwise insignificant, exposure risk to malware?

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Man, I really love my Macbook pro. Such a nice piece of hardware, and the OS is a joy to use. But the more and more I learn about about their business practices, the more I wonder if they are really in line with my own values, and the more I think about how much benefit I really gain from the OS. Probably not as much as I used to think. I'm starting to realize something. I'm almost certain I would be just as happy wi…

I highly recommend Kubuntu. It looks ugly initially but you can customize it to look really good. There is even an OSX theme that you can download.

While I second the Kubuntu/KDE recommendation, I would suggest not using a Mac theme. Because that might get you in the mentality of trying to make a Mac out of Linux, which it is not. I recommended learning to use Linux like Linux with all its unique ideas and it's a joy to use.

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Microsoft with WSL2 is pretty much ready to go for the jugular IMHO.

Windows Update 2004 made the experience even smoother on my XPS 15.

Same here. My terminal/neovim setup feels very close to what I run on a native Linux machine. A huge step up from WSL1, imo.

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In which case I'll make an account! Thanks for putting me right. So there's no point (is there?) letting any old people send in corrections, and waiting years...?

Actually doing mapping ideally requires a bit more understanding than a map user might want to acquire. So it may make sense to provide a correction and then let people with more expertise apply their knowledge to the problem, rather than stumble about and maybe make more work for somebody else. Perhaps you notice that (as a gross example too large to be likely) the big field a few kilometres away from you that's use…

This is all correct but I think the default map editor does a good job of guiding newcomers for simple edits, and also lets you tag your commit for review if you're in doubt.

For small corrections (such as changing a business from a pub to a store, adding a road, naming a street…) it's perfectly accessible to anyone interested.

For sure for complex edits (like touching important objects such as airports) it's better to make a note if you're not familiar with it.

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Which is the intended goal as they will never install malware.

And no open source software either unless the authors cough up the apple tax.

Not too relevant here, but I think the main thing keeping regular people from installing open source software is that most OSS is an unpolished usability nightmare compared to commercial counterparts.

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Apple has been making things more and more restrictive over a decade now. New versions of mac os introducing new restrictions. Doesn't take a genius to see that their end goal is to make mac os as restrictive as ios. When that happens, will it still be the right spot for you?

I'd really be interested to hear someone who defended Apple's 30% cut battle against Epic on why Macs shouldn't be locked down and everything forced through the store. People like Gruber coined the term "App Console" to try and justify locked down iOS yet we're also told how powerful iPads are and how they're computers. Why is it ok for the iPads to be locked down "App Consoles", if that's ok shouldn't it also be fin…

I'll bite.

The iPad is by definition a more limited environment in that it IS locked down and heavily sandboxed. What you get from that is a hyperportable tool that pretty much Just Works All The Time without the need to worry about security or administration.

There are absolutely things you can't do there. For any advanced user, it's unlikely to provide a sufficient computing environment in and of itself -- but there are lots of folks for whom a nice iPad is entirely enough. My 80 year old mother only rarely touches her laptop nowadays (realistically, it exists for the version of Quicken she likes + the need to write embroidery patterns to flash drives for use with her INSANELY complicated sewing machine).

This is good.

But you trade some things away by setting the dials in that way (high portability & battery, high security) -- obviously, there's less direct user control, and less ability to customize, and outside environments like Pythonista I don't think there's any way to write code on it you could use on it.

But that's fine, because if the iPad doesn't meet your need as a primary, you probably have a regular computer on your desk, too. A Mac works just like computers have worked for 40 years -- you own the machine, down to the metal, and can do anything you want with it. This freedom comes at a cost (increased risk of crashes or malware infection), and may not represent the dominant mode of computing for regular humans going forward. That's fine. Not everybody needs that.

So the distinction is actually really simple: They're different products, positioned to address different user stories. Why shouldn't they have different approaches to lockdown/security/customization?

I mean, car makers have several models available, too, with often very very different capabilities and functions. That's also ok.

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Though don't underestimate the number that gets a developer account to get macOS/iOS beta versions. There are public betas now, but the developer portal gets them faster (and more frequently).

Doesn't matter why they do it as long as they pay the $100/year surely?

Not all developer accounts are paid though, there's a free tier

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Outrageous is the entitlement of the current generations for not paying for their tools. Many of us used to pay for every single piece of software that we had to run on top of our already expensive computer around 2000 euros on today's money.

This is a nice example of what a logician calls a false cause: your conclusion (definition of outrageous) isn't supported by your premise (how much you used to pay for kit). It's also a straw man, since I was talking about an OS developer wanting to publish their software, and you're attempting to sink it by portraying it as referring to a consumer wanting free stuff. The subject of your conclusion, 'current generati…

Like 1000 euros per year for a MSDN Professional license, or the required certification from several vendors that have to be renewed every couple years.
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