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Is there any automatic way to tell your software apart from malware? Because that's part of what this mechanism tries to provide...
In theory no, that's impossible. In practice, I publish checksums on my website and people trust that I am not malicious.
Users who know how to verify checksums know how to work around unnotarized Mac apps.
This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…
In my day job, I work on a relatively large open-source non-GUI application macOS is becoming an increasingly difficult platform on which to release software. We're going down the notarization rabbit hole (which is a nightmare), but given that we don't fit on the App Store, it's very obvious that Apple doesn't want us on the platform. My suspicion is that they will eventually charge $$$ for a "developer unlock" on Ap…
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It's hard to believe that this would be a cash grab. Even if there are 1M developers in the world, that's only $100M, which should not be worth the friction and cost to implement and maintain this scheme. Consider that Apple's most recent quarterly revenue was just under $60B. Apple made $260B in all of 2019; $100M is not even four hundredths of a percent. Developer time to build out the signing and notarization feat…
> Even if there are 1M developers in the world There are +20M registered Apple developers. https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/04/app-store-hits-20m-registe...
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They've already effectively prohibited it because, as you can see from the article, installing software that doesn't go through Apple is made incredibly painful and essentially nobody will succeed in doing it. Apple doesn't really care that you can run it by using a bunch of workarounds if they have 99.9% control over all software distribution.
> installing software that doesn't go through Apple is made incredibly painful and essentially nobody will succeed in doing it. Come on. It’s literally five mouse clicks.
All of these people saying: switch to Windows, its better than mac! Have you really done that? REALLY? Because I work on Mac, Win10 and Linux every day. And Win10 doesn't even come close to the other two in terms of reliability, stability, and lack of unnecessary bullshit. I just don't understand who can make this claim that Win is better than Macos with a straight face. Maybe for gaming. Maybe. The cost/fps is clear…
> I think a lot of people on this thread have never even used a mac for more than five minutes, let alone developed on one. I have when I started a new job and they gave me a macbook and said it's the only option. After 2 weeks I told them I'll need a linux box asap or I'll look for a different job. It's in my opinion the absolute worst garbage of an operating system I've ever had the displeasure of using and their w…
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In my day job, I work on a relatively large open-source non-GUI application macOS is becoming an increasingly difficult platform on which to release software. We're going down the notarization rabbit hole (which is a nightmare), but given that we don't fit on the App Store, it's very obvious that Apple doesn't want us on the platform. My suspicion is that they will eventually charge $$$ for a "developer unlock" on Ap…
Microsoft with WSL2 is pretty much ready to go for the jugular IMHO.
This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…
I remember RMS saying that the GPL was updated because one "obvious" freedom was not so obvious -- you could meet all the requirements of the GPL, without giving the right to RUN the software. GPL3 allows that. And looking backwards, apple shipped software that was GPL2, but would not ship software that was GPL3. As one example, bash and make all quietly stopped getting updates from apple when the GPL3 versions came…
- in apple tech, the users are volunteer products where servicing them gets a myriad of monetization, notarization etc.
- hope open source starts to ignore apple platforms as a target at some point. Being "*nixy" and presence of "brew" etc gave the false impression apple is in the open source camp.
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Sure, but I picked that specifically because it seemed to be what the parent comment was talking about.
Is there any automatic way to tell your software apart from malware? Because that's part of what this mechanism tries to provide...
There is no universally agreed-upon definition of malware. One man's operating system is another man's malware. For me, an operating system that "calls home" for each new executable you compile is a crystal clear case of malware. In the case of this article, then, the only malware in question is macOS.
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Which CAs are available for Windows, and how much do they cost, out of curiosity? Not a Windows developer.
Certificate Authorities trusted by Microsoft for the purpose of Code Signing would need to issue you a certificate with the appropriate EKU (Extended Key Usage, saying this is for Code Signing). Technically a user could add some CA you span up for this purpose to their Windows install, but if you're going to all this bother you could just get them to click past the warning of course... The CCADB can tell you which CA…
And this is why out of spite I developed "ClickTwice". It's certainly not as good as ClickOnce but least I ensure they use the latest version of the apps I dev.
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You stop using Apple and go to a reasonable OS. You and I are not going to help Apple keep their $2T valuation, we are no longer the market not been one for 5 + years for Apple Apple moved their focus from the professional market who were willing to pay premium for productivity with better UX/Hardware/Software, to people paying just the premium . It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not beca…
>It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not because there is real value they gain for the higher cost. Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day. This is basically a slippery slope fallacy. Today they're making it marginally hard, what might they do tomorrow?!? There are many reasons to prefer macOS to Linux or Windows. The Apple ecos…
Right, and how many of those are using macOS because they're "forced" to, as a sibling suggests, or simply by force of habit?
Moving from macOS to Linux or Windows (or from any one OS to any other, really) does require some time. It's not necessarily difficult, but it still takes time. Time that the same professionals might find is better spent on their actual professional work.
It could be argued it's a boil the frog situation, but for me that means the incentives to change the OS aren't quite there yet. Maybe if MacOS 10.17 goes too far with restricting what people can run on it, there could be more people switching. But remember, many of those "professionals" are not programmers, they use standard "enterprise" software, like Adobe or whatever. I bet most of those people have no idea what a terminal is. They would probably not even notice such restrictions are in place.