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Post by pjmlp »

nanna wrote: post #522
stereo wrote: post #450

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OpenStreetMap treasurer here to jump on the tangent. Hi! Apple's focus is on maximising profit, and ours is on maximising mapping and the width of our membership, especially after the entryism attempt last year ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19008792 ).- We've also recently received a non-profit signing certificate from Apple through our German local chapter, and two of us are working on getting JOSM automati…

I'm happy for OSM, that's great for you and in turn the community. But what about small open source projects? One-person projects where the idea of having several people working on securing legal non-profit status and then acquiring non-profit signing certificates from Apple is for all intents and purposes impossible? And certainly not worth just coughing up the annual $99 fee (+tax) to Apple? $99+ every year is a lo…

Outrageous is the entitlement of the current generations for not paying for their tools.

Many of us used to pay for every single piece of software that we had to run on top of our already expensive computer around 2000 euros on today's money.

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Post by benhurmarcel »

IndySun wrote: post #563
benhurmarcel wrote: post #541

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OSM works like Wikipedia. There's no company looking at notes, it's just volunteers. You can also do the modification yourself, it's quite easy, you just need an account. For that particular case, if you post the URL or location I can take a look if you want.

In which case I'll make an account! Thanks for putting me right. So there's no point (is there?) letting any old people send in corrections, and waiting years...?

It is useful to report problems as map notes on the website. Less useful than fixing it yourself obviously, but many regions have regular mappers that look through the notes from time to time. So it helps if there are regular contributors caring about the area.

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Post by pjmlp »

diminish wrote: post #377
m463 wrote: post #218

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I remember RMS saying that the GPL was updated because one "obvious" freedom was not so obvious -- you could meet all the requirements of the GPL, without giving the right to RUN the software. GPL3 allows that. And looking backwards, apple shipped software that was GPL2, but would not ship software that was GPL3. As one example, bash and make all quietly stopped getting updates from apple when the GPL3 versions came…

as an ex-apple employee and long time developer, glad people start to see apple is an open source foo creating prisons of software to lure the obsessive brand fanatics and get a fee selling them as users to the other parties. - in apple tech, the users are volunteer products where servicing them gets a myriad of monetization, notarization etc. - hope open source starts to ignore apple platforms as a target at some po…

Why should they have been?

That was wishful thinking from the get go.

No commercial UNIX was ever on open source camp, in fact they are the very reason while GCC was ignored for several years, it got a bunch of helping hands as Sun started the trend of user and development UNIX versions.

Also given NeXTSTEP heritage, UNIX on NeXTSTEP was always a means to have a foot on the DoD UNIX requirements, there was nothing open source about Renderman, Lotus Improv and many other NeXTSTEP based tooling.

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Post by cwhiz »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #380
cwhiz wrote: post #275

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>It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not because there is real value they gain for the higher cost. Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day. This is basically a slippery slope fallacy. Today they're making it marginally hard, what might they do tomorrow?!? There are many reasons to prefer macOS to Linux or Windows. The Apple ecos…

> Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day. Right, and how many of those are using macOS because they're "forced" to, as a sibling suggests, or simply by force of habit? Moving from macOS to Linux or Windows (or from any one OS to any other, really) does require some time. It's not necessarily difficult, but it still takes time. Time that the same professio…

Is it really that hard for you to believe that people like and prefer macOS??

I don’t want to move to Windows or Linux. The time sink is irrelevant. I am a software engineer and I PREFER macOS. So do my coworkers. So do many, but not all, of my friends. So does my spouse.

Many of you replying here just seem completely unable to grasp that other people exist, with other thoughts and opinions.

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Post by pjmlp »

dasKrokodil wrote: post #414
jyrkesh wrote: post #274

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In my day job, I work on a relatively large open-source non-GUI application macOS is becoming an increasingly difficult platform on which to release software. We're going down the notarization rabbit hole (which is a nightmare), but given that we don't fit on the App Store, it's very obvious that Apple doesn't want us on the platform. My suspicion is that they will eventually charge $$$ for a "developer unlock" on Ap…

If developers move from Apple to Windows because of this, they haven't learned from their mistakes.

Which developers? There are plenty of us that don't care about UNIX.

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Post by jeroenhd »

habosa wrote: post #493

I have yet to get a good answer to this question: what do these checks do? They just confirm the developer has $100? Does Apple actually make sure signed binaries don't do anything bad?

When an application turns out to be malicious, Apple can remotely disable it by invalidating the developer certificate globally.

This is how some mac viruses were stopped; the developer license was retracted, making the executables hard to open in the background, slowing the spread or even killing the virus during its infection track.

It also maintains Apple as the administrator of your computer. You may have paid Apple for your laptop, but it is Apple who decides what you can and cannot execute. Options to work around the blocks Apple throws up are reduced and made harder with every new release. I predict that eventually all binaries will need to have Apple's blessing or be signed with a corporate certificate, just like on iOS. It's still years away, but the direction Apple is taking this is obvious.

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Post by indigochill »

lucb1e wrote: post #2

This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…

>This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS.

It isn't. Apple's view of the world is that computer users are non-technical consumers who need to be protected from others and themselves, and that Apple are the ones to offer that protection. Open source is antithetical to this view because it puts the responsibility on the user, which is the last thing Apple wants.

I can sympathize to some extent with this view. There's obviously a large (perhaps majority) share of computer users who it describes - just not small/independent developers/hackers. Those users are better served elsewhere.

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Post by cwhiz »

reportgunner wrote: post #460
cwhiz wrote: post #275

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>It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not because there is real value they gain for the higher cost. Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day. This is basically a slippery slope fallacy. Today they're making it marginally hard, what might they do tomorrow?!? There are many reasons to prefer macOS to Linux or Windows. The Apple ecos…

> Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day. Wait, have you seen them ? Can you link the source for this claim ? > seamlessness of owning an Apple Watch, iPhone, iPad, AirPods, and a macOS device. Why do you need this seamlessness ? Is your attention span so short that you forget what you were doing after the first error pops up ?

You obviously don’t own any of these devices.

Seamless means I can call or text from any of my devices. Switch a phone call audio from my laptop, to my phone, to my AirPods. Go for a run and stream music from my watch directly to my AirPods, without my phone. Unlock my laptop with my watch. Confirm a password from the keychain with my watch. Pull up a browser tab from my phone. Share a clipboard between all my devices with zero setup. On and on and on.

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Post by cwhiz »

csomar wrote: post #530
cwhiz wrote: post #275

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>It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not because there is real value they gain for the higher cost. Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day. This is basically a slippery slope fallacy. Today they're making it marginally hard, what might they do tomorrow?!? There are many reasons to prefer macOS to Linux or Windows. The Apple ecos…

Nobody can deny that macOS has the most integrated system especially if you own an iPhone/iPad/iWatch. However, for development, it's going to depend. Excluding iOS/macOS development, the macOS is becoming less and less attractive even for web developers.

In your opinion, what is making it less attractive?

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Post by AriaMinaei »

pjmlp wrote: post #571
nanna wrote: post #522

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I'm happy for OSM, that's great for you and in turn the community. But what about small open source projects? One-person projects where the idea of having several people working on securing legal non-profit status and then acquiring non-profit signing certificates from Apple is for all intents and purposes impossible? And certainly not worth just coughing up the annual $99 fee (+tax) to Apple? $99+ every year is a lo…

Outrageous is the entitlement of the current generations for not paying for their tools. Many of us used to pay for every single piece of software that we had to run on top of our already expensive computer around 2000 euros on today's money.

This isn’t about not wanting to pay. It’s about being forced to use a tool in spite of much better possible alternatives. If apple allowed SSL-style certification, I’m sure cheaper and better alternatives (similar to LetsEncrypt) would prop up.
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