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Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by weystrom »

gpanders wrote: post #202
manquer wrote: post #154

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You stop using Apple and go to a reasonable OS. You and I are not going to help Apple keep their $2T valuation, we are no longer the market not been one for 5 + years for Apple Apple moved their focus from the professional market who were willing to pay premium for productivity with better UX/Hardware/Software, to people paying just the premium . It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not beca…

While I also find these changes to macOS alarming and disappointing, I still vastly prefer macOS to Windows. My 2013 Macbook Pro is also still the best laptop I have ever used (I also have a 2017 Macbook Pro for work and I have to admit that the newer models rightfully earn their bad reputation). If Apple continues to head in this direction, I think the right move is to migrate to Linux. Windows is a huge step back,…

> If Apple continues to head in this direction, I think the right move is to migrate to Linux. Windows is a huge step back, as far as I'm concerned.

Linux desktop has so many hidden problems, especially on laptops, you're definitely better off going the Windows route, unless your time is free.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by fluffything »

wtracy wrote: post #16
bangonkeyboard wrote: post #9

On a related note, the macOS 11 Beta 5 released today reveals that Apple silicon Macs will require all ARM executables to be signed: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2020/08/19/apple-silicon-macs-to-req... , https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos-release-note...

From Apple's documentation: > There isn’t a specific identity requirement for this signature: a simple ad-hoc signature issued locally is sufficient, which includes signatures which are now generated automatically by the linker. This new behavior doesn’t change the long-established policy that our users and developers can run arbitrary code on their Macs So, the sky isn't falling yet, but it is reasonable to be conce…

> So, the sky isn't falling yet,

Now we are literally only one step away from not being able to run our own software on Macs without paying Apple 100$/year (or whatever amount they want).

They just need to disable adhoc blocking, and require a signed developer. All systems are in place for this. The only thing they need to justify such a change is a "catastrophe". For example, next year, some macos malware might pop up, that could have been prevented with this signing. And Apple could just use that as an excuse to fully lock their platform.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by habosa »

I have yet to get a good answer to this question: what do these checks do?

They just confirm the developer has $100? Does Apple actually make sure signed binaries don't do anything bad?

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by bonzini »

m463 wrote: post #218
lucb1e wrote: post #2

This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…

I remember RMS saying that the GPL was updated because one "obvious" freedom was not so obvious -- you could meet all the requirements of the GPL, without giving the right to RUN the software. GPL3 allows that. And looking backwards, apple shipped software that was GPL2, but would not ship software that was GPL3. As one example, bash and make all quietly stopped getting updates from apple when the GPL3 versions came…

rootless.h is a missing system header, not a missing part of the Bash sources (the function it declares is part of libSystem.dylib; it is not part of bash). So leaving it out falls under the system library exception and does not violate the GPL.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by pilsetnieks »

diminish wrote: post #377
m463 wrote: post #218

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I remember RMS saying that the GPL was updated because one "obvious" freedom was not so obvious -- you could meet all the requirements of the GPL, without giving the right to RUN the software. GPL3 allows that. And looking backwards, apple shipped software that was GPL2, but would not ship software that was GPL3. As one example, bash and make all quietly stopped getting updates from apple when the GPL3 versions came…

as an ex-apple employee and long time developer, glad people start to see apple is an open source foo creating prisons of software to lure the obsessive brand fanatics and get a fee selling them as users to the other parties. - in apple tech, the users are volunteer products where servicing them gets a myriad of monetization, notarization etc. - hope open source starts to ignore apple platforms as a target at some po…

I get that you're just venting and that's fine. But were you to run any kind of open software movement and expressing public opinions, calling people "obsessive brand fanatics" would just antagonize them and not get you taken seriously.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by einpoklum »

I would say this is an example of how the user interface - and some of back-end plumbing - of a desktop environment [1] is not designed to serve users, their needs and interests. Instead, it's designed to serve Apple's needs and interests at the expense of users.

For me, this is a much stronger reason to avoid Apple software than whether it's FOSS or not. I can live with a company which makes some proprietary app. I mean, I am annoyed that access to it is restricted, but at least the "deal" is upfront.

When what I see and what I can run and how it runs is the object of direct partisan manipulation, and trade between commercial companies for epistemic access to a captive user-base, that's a whole other story and it just makes me sick.

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[1] : I'm letting Apple enjoy the benefit of the doubt and assuming the "signing" business is not enforced at kernel-level, only by the graphical desktop environment's application launching mechanism.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by beagle3 »

withinboredom wrote: post #421
saagarjha wrote: post #390

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I don’t think anyone really had that impression, especially since most of the macOS Forge projects got spun off. But you can’t deny they made (and in many ways, still do) good UNIX machines.

> But you can’t deny they made (and in many ways, still do) good UNIX machines. If you mean the hardware, it's OK I guess. It still lacks basic computer features like PXE booting (unless you count the proprietary "netboot"). You can't really install much on it or use it for anything but MacOS, which really isn't that great, IMHO. For the same cost as a MacBook, I got a really nice PC laptop with double the specs that…

Which model is that? It used to be that way up until 5 years ago or so in my experience, but it changed to be “comparable specs with comparable price” - except that the options from Apple are very limited.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by adriancr »

raverbashing wrote: post #483
rglullis wrote: post #462

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If only we had an operating system that we could install on our computers freely, right? It is a shame that people are forced to buy a computer and not reformat the disk to install their OS of choice. It is a shame that we can not take the money that we could be saving and investing in open alternatives...

Yes, and I've used that other OS a lot as well But it is not a panacea and it is not for everybody. And it has two main issues: - developers don't care about stability and/or polish (just see the discussions on the trackpad ITT) "Oh but if you change library X to Y and reroute libinput and etc it might maybe work and maybe it will not break anything else" - because of the former reason, not all (important) applicatio…

Well... your choice is:

- windows 10 - no privacy, hello telemetry, cortana, etc.

- mac os - no freedom to do anything not allowed by apple

- Linux - polish / ui issues?

At least with Linux once I configure it right it works without issue and does everything I want.

Currently that means kubuntu 20.04, AMD GPU (or intel integrated) and laptops that say they support it (Dell/Lenovo) or self built desktop. (I used gnome until I hit your NM issue too and it did not allow me to move top bar to the right... switched to KDE)

I no longer have a fear of upgrading distributions/packages causing problems, nvidia drivers causing black screen after upgrade...

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by ziml77 »

LocutusOfBorges wrote: post #291
Wohlf wrote: post #222

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You may be surprised how much equivalent laptops from other OEMs have caught up. The Dell XPS is very similar to the Macbook Pro, and Dell supports Ubuntu on it.

The XPS line had some of the worst speakers I’ve ever heard on a laptop up until the 2020 revision- and some of the worst build quality issues I’ve ever experienced with a laptop. My 2019 XPS 15 went through eight at-home repair visits after hardware failures within four months. Can honestly say I’ve never used a less reliable machine- and every unit I’ve ever touched has had some of the worst coil wine issues I’ve e…

As someone who's returned their 2020 XPS 15, I can say that it hasn't gotten better. I can't speak for how well the hardware endures but it does have various flaws. Also didn't find the speakers to be good. Sounded worse than the SB2 I was replacing.

Running an MBP now, but if sticking with Windows was important I'd have chosen a ThinkPad.

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