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Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by iso1631 »

HappyDreamer wrote: post #437
onion2k wrote: post #385

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Someone who is developing for Apple platform in specific, has already spent ~$1000 in devices. Ignoring the fact someone might have been given a Mac by someone else, or bought one second-hand for less, or that they might be working on a computer they don't own themselves, why is it that someone who can afford $1000 for a Mac can automatically afford another $100? Surely there has to be an amount that you assume they…

Also, it's $100 each year, right. I was thinking me too that that can be a lot if compared with a 2nd hand macbook.

I have two macs. Main is a 2013 macbook air which cost £999 (work bought it), so £140 a year. Second is my own mac mini from 2012 which cost £500, so £60 a year.

My main machine is a linux one. Costs nothing to write software on that of course.

I get the feeling that developers who 'came of age' in the last 10-15 years will slowly discover RMS was right all along.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by reportgunner »

jeffhuys wrote: post #478
reportgunner wrote: post #460

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> Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day. Wait, have you seen them ? Can you link the source for this claim ? > seamlessness of owning an Apple Watch, iPhone, iPad, AirPods, and a macOS device. Why do you need this seamlessness ? Is your attention span so short that you forget what you were doing after the first error pops up ?

>Why do you need this seamlessness ? Is your attention span so short that you forget what you were doing after the first error pops up ? Are you seriously asking why one would want a system to be more seamless? Less cognitive overhead = more productivity, period.

This seamlessness comes at a cost and it's not the financial one.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by raverbashing »

rglullis wrote: post #462
raverbashing wrote: post #440

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Well the other hypercapitalists sell a product that sucks and sure, it lets you run other stuff, but it absolutely tramples on your privacy and is still, for the most part, worse in all aspects. (and yes the keyboard issues were very close to tipping the scales) I wish the choice was simple, but it isn't.

If only we had an operating system that we could install on our computers freely, right? It is a shame that people are forced to buy a computer and not reformat the disk to install their OS of choice. It is a shame that we can not take the money that we could be saving and investing in open alternatives...

Yes, and I've used that other OS a lot as well

But it is not a panacea and it is not for everybody. And it has two main issues:

- developers don't care about stability and/or polish (just see the discussions on the trackpad ITT) "Oh but if you change library X to Y and reroute libinput and etc it might maybe work and maybe it will not break anything else"

- because of the former reason, not all (important) applications are available to the platform. I'm really glad that a lot of things are online now, but that doesn't solve all problems

I've lost count of how many times wifi was supposed to work "out of the box" in Linux and it didn't. (And no, it wasn't an issue with drivers or wpa, it was the stupid Gnome NM widget - if I configured it manually it works). Or some other stuff. And sure, a there are stuff that works better even than MacOS.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by merijnv »

solarkraft wrote: post #464
m463 wrote: post #262

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I don't know they don't ship it but bash is compiled with it.

So they're shipping a proprietary version of bash?

Of course not, that'd be a violation of the GPL. They ship their own fork/patched version of bash, whose source is on their open source page: https://opensource.apple.com/source/bash/bash-118.11.1/

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Post by RMPR »

withinboredom wrote: post #421
saagarjha wrote: post #390

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I don’t think anyone really had that impression, especially since most of the macOS Forge projects got spun off. But you can’t deny they made (and in many ways, still do) good UNIX machines.

> But you can’t deny they made (and in many ways, still do) good UNIX machines. If you mean the hardware, it's OK I guess. It still lacks basic computer features like PXE booting (unless you count the proprietary "netboot"). You can't really install much on it or use it for anything but MacOS, which really isn't that great, IMHO. For the same cost as a MacBook, I got a really nice PC laptop with double the specs that…

> For the same cost as a MacBook, I got a really nice PC laptop with double the specs that runs linux flawlessly. I can also update the CPU, GPU, and RAM, which I can't do with a macbook.

My go to Laptop these days is the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 (either carbon or Yoga) very nicely built with a great keyboard, I hardly (if ever) heard the fan noise and except on a couple of models where the fingerprint driver isn't present, it works flawlessly ootb with Linux.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=v6X1-DxXBEs

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Post by realusername »

roboyoshi wrote: post #443
hu3 wrote: post #410

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I had similar experience. They gave me a brand new beefed up macbook. I tried to like that thing. I really did. For months. One day I just got tired of that thing overheating and being loud. Was given a real linux machine to work with.

What OS are you running on linux that makes the experience worth it over macOS? I've grown up using macs and am used to the UI quite a bit. Have a work machine (t580) and used Ubuntu and Fedore. Both have been quite challenging to use with lots of Graphics Issues. Sure the thing runs everything I throws at it in terms of docker/system-services/etc., but UI stuff is really ugly.

(not the OP) If you like the macOS style interface, I would recommend ElementaryOS which is the closest thing UI-wise.

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Post by fluffything »

manquer wrote: post #154
kjksf wrote: post #80

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Apple has been making things more and more restrictive over a decade now. New versions of mac os introducing new restrictions. Doesn't take a genius to see that their end goal is to make mac os as restrictive as ios. When that happens, will it still be the right spot for you?

You stop using Apple and go to a reasonable OS. You and I are not going to help Apple keep their $2T valuation, we are no longer the market not been one for 5 + years for Apple Apple moved their focus from the professional market who were willing to pay premium for productivity with better UX/Hardware/Software, to people paying just the premium . It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not beca…

> You stop using Apple and go to a reasonable OS. You and I are not going to help Apple keep their $2T valuation, we are no longer the market not been one for 5 + years for Apple

Or you just buy apple stock and keep using Apple ? That way you are just helping yourself.

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

onion2k wrote: post #385
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #338

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Apple is an aspiration selling company. >>I also can't imagine $100 is easy to come up with in countries below level 4[1] Someone who is developing for Apple platform in specific, has already spent ~$1000 in devices. Say they couldn't afford to build explicitly for Apple[1], they instead develop for web using a Raspberry Pi and try to leverage smartphone capabilities using PWAs; Alas Apple throws in hurdles there as…

Someone who is developing for Apple platform in specific, has already spent ~$1000 in devices. Ignoring the fact someone might have been given a Mac by someone else, or bought one second-hand for less, or that they might be working on a computer they don't own themselves, why is it that someone who can afford $1000 for a Mac can automatically afford another $100? Surely there has to be an amount that you assume they…

>why is it that someone who can afford $1000 for a Mac can automatically afford another $100

Someone who has invested in ~$1000 specifically to develop applications for Apple ecosystem has to invest $100 to release the application, that is the overall context of my statement in that sentence.

>You're applying a sort of reverse of Zeno's Arrow[1] to affordability, and I think shows a distinct lack of understanding of how money works when you don't have all that much of it.

Cherry picking part of my sentence to make a statement, then claiming to throw insight about my understanding of how money works based on how much of it I have seems like using your own logical fallacy intentionally to make an ad hominem argument.

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Post by throwawayffffas »

cuddlybacon wrote: post #6

This feature is at about the right spot for me. It is still convenient enough for me to run software I want that isn't signed, but sufficiently obtuse that neither of my parents have figured it out. Given they are both prone to running any executable that any website tells them to download and run, this feature has probably save me several dozen hours of fixing their computers.

I see this argument repeated whenever there is a conversation about issues like this.

But I almost never see anyone pointing out this is the equivalent of think of the children applied to software distribution.

While indeed this kind of control reduces the chance less informed users run random code downloaded from sketchy sites. I think it does little to actually curb malware, since all you have to do to pass the bar is pay 100 dollars to apple.

I believe this is Apples attempt to fully control the software distribution business for macs the way they do for iphones. Eventually mandating that all software comes through their store, uses their payment provider, etc.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by habosa »

fizzled wrote: post #310

All of these people saying: switch to Windows, its better than mac! Have you really done that? REALLY? Because I work on Mac, Win10 and Linux every day. And Win10 doesn't even come close to the other two in terms of reliability, stability, and lack of unnecessary bullshit. I just don't understand who can make this claim that Win is better than Macos with a straight face. Maybe for gaming. Maybe. The cost/fps is clear…

I used exclusively Mac on my personal machines from 2005 to 2018. Then I switched to a Windows 10 laptop mostly because I was curious and it was cheap.

Windows 10 + WSL is amazing. It's definitely getting better all the time while macOS is getting worse each year. Plus more and more I just seem to only need Chrome, VSCode, and a Terminal.

So yes I have done it, and I now prefer Windows.

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