Can't you just right click? • Hacker News Board

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by vladvasiliu » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 6:49 AM UTC

gfxgirl wrote: post #305

gpanders wrote: post #202

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While I also find these changes to macOS alarming and disappointing, I still vastly prefer macOS to Windows. My 2013 Macbook Pro is also still the best laptop I have ever used (I also have a 2017 Macbook Pro for work and I have to admit that the newer models rightfully earn their bad reputation). If Apple continues to head in this direction, I think the right move is to migrate to Linux. Windows is a huge step back,…

There are plenty of comparisons online showing for the same price as a Mac you can get a PC that will edit your photos, compress your videos, render your 3D architecture 3x to 4x as fast as the fastest Mac you can buy. If you're a professional might be throwing money down the toilet waiting for your mac depending on your use case. Note: I'm not a mac hater. I have 2, one I use every day and love it. I also have a PC…

While I haven't seen those comparisons, I did do a similar one myself. Like GP, I have a 2013 mbp. It still works perfectly and handles whatever I throw at it. As it's getting long in the tooth and it could end up not working anymore, and also because I got curious with the release of the 16" mbp, I looked a bit at the market, and also at similar offerings from Lenovo, HP and Dell.

You are right, for the price of a 16" MBP with 64 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD, I could buy a maxed out Lenovo X1E with 2 SSDs, so I could dual boot windows and Linux (I use Photoshop / Lightroom for personal photography but can't stand Windows otherwise). Oh, and I'd probably have more than enough left to go on a trip somewhere and actually use the mobile part of the laptop.

So yes, on pure performance numbers, I completely agree. However, that's really not the whole story. Not everybody needs absolute maximum performance. I wouldn't still be happy with my 7 yo mac if I did.

I use my laptop every day for (hopefully) years and years. So I care about other things. First and most important of all, the touchpad. I've tried Lenovo (T series), Dell XPS and HP Elitebook models. They all absolutely suck compared to a mbp. A friend has a 2-3 yo Dell XPS. The palmrest plastic is all sticky, the screen is wobbly the touchpad is a nightmare (sometimes it clicks on its own). I have an HP from work I sometimes use. The junction between the palm rest and the body isn't level, so after a few hours of working on it my wrists are raw from rubbing on the body. The same laptop has a power light right in front of the screen that is blinding. I had to cover it with a piece of aluminum foil to be able to work in the evening. These kinds of annoyances make it worth it for me to spend the extra cash on a mbp that will just get out of my way and let me work.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by matsemann » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 6:51 AM UTC

spideymans wrote: post #306

kjksf wrote: post #80

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Apple has been making things more and more restrictive over a decade now. New versions of mac os introducing new restrictions. Doesn't take a genius to see that their end goal is to make mac os as restrictive as ios. When that happens, will it still be the right spot for you?

>Doesn't take a genius to see that their end goal is to make mac os as restrictive as ios. I've been hearing that for the past decade. With the exception of some reasonably deprecated technologies (32-bit support, etc...), to this day I'm able to run essentially all of the software on my Mac that I did back in 2010. If and when Apple does prohibit the running of third party apps, I'll switch to another platform. Unti…

While you are able to, many others are not. So it's a hassle for those developing independently to distribute their software to the masses.

So yes, you can run the same software (mostly) as in 2010 knowing the workarounds. But as a consumer you are probably missing out on new, great software because developers wont pay the apple tax to make their stuff available. So you're already affected. It's not FUD, you're just not seeing the issue.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by saagarjha » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 6:51 AM UTC

m463 wrote: post #341

easton wrote: post #269

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It appears to be this: https://opensource.apple.com/source/X11/X11-0.40/xc/programs... But that’s for Apple’s X server, so maybe Bash’s is different? But I couldn’t find anything about that in a quick google search.

rootless.h in bash seems to be related to system integrity protection. Don't know why Apple doesn't just devote 1 engineer to do something like homebrew or macports. Their ROI just on hardware sales will be very high. Maybe all the unix guys retired or left and there are only round window corner xcode guys left.

Apple does have a handful of engineers working with/on open source projects; whether is a part of their official job duties I don’t know. But it is much appreciated. However, to the person doing open source tarballs: please respond to emails and be quicker about uploading thankyouverymuch

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by HappyDreamer » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 6:51 AM UTC

m463 wrote: post #218

lucb1e wrote: post #2

This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…

I remember RMS saying that the GPL was updated because one "obvious" freedom was not so obvious -- you could meet all the requirements of the GPL, without giving the right to RUN the software. GPL3 allows that. And looking backwards, apple shipped software that was GPL2, but would not ship software that was GPL3. As one example, bash and make all quietly stopped getting updates from apple when the GPL3 versions came…

> required to contact apple to even see this online help.

What's that about? The "macOS User Guide" is available online only?

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by saagarjha » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 6:52 AM UTC

Something1234 wrote: post #242

m463 wrote: post #218

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I remember RMS saying that the GPL was updated because one "obvious" freedom was not so obvious -- you could meet all the requirements of the GPL, without giving the right to RUN the software. GPL3 allows that. And looking backwards, apple shipped software that was GPL2, but would not ship software that was GPL3. As one example, bash and make all quietly stopped getting updates from apple when the GPL3 versions came…

What's in rootless.h?

Prototypes for functions to check System Integrity Protection-related stuff.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by arkh » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 6:53 AM UTC

diminish wrote: post #377

m463 wrote: post #218

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I remember RMS saying that the GPL was updated because one "obvious" freedom was not so obvious -- you could meet all the requirements of the GPL, without giving the right to RUN the software. GPL3 allows that. And looking backwards, apple shipped software that was GPL2, but would not ship software that was GPL3. As one example, bash and make all quietly stopped getting updates from apple when the GPL3 versions came…

as an ex-apple employee and long time developer, glad people start to see apple is an open source foo creating prisons of software to lure the obsessive brand fanatics and get a fee selling them as users to the other parties. - in apple tech, the users are volunteer products where servicing them gets a myriad of monetization, notarization etc. - hope open source starts to ignore apple platforms as a target at some po…

> glad people start to see apple is an open source foo creating prisons of software

People have been saying it since day 1 of the Apple App Store. It's called a walled garden and it should be attacked as the abuse of a dominant position it is.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by Rebelgecko » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 6:53 AM UTC

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #370

readams wrote: post #312

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They've already effectively prohibited it because, as you can see from the article, installing software that doesn't go through Apple is made incredibly painful and essentially nobody will succeed in doing it. Apple doesn't really care that you can run it by using a bunch of workarounds if they have 99.9% control over all software distribution.

> installing software that doesn't go through Apple is made incredibly painful and essentially nobody will succeed in doing it. Come on. It’s literally five mouse clicks.

There's no way in hell that a casual user like my parents would to be able to figure out which 5 mouse clicks to do (without direct guidance) Even the documentation doesn't tell you to right click.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by Rebelgecko » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 6:56 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #139

cma wrote: post #117

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Does it tie them to your Apple ID, or is it a key you can keep totally private from Apple?

It's not tied to a key at all, it's basically just a hash (read: the checksum kind) with no authenticity guarantees as to who signed the binary.

Out of curiosity, what's the point then? Why not just phone home with the hash of the binary, instead of forcing developers to assign a UUID/pseudohash to their binary?

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by saagarjha » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 6:56 AM UTC

jordigh wrote: post #256

saagarjha wrote: post #200

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You don't need a Mac to develop software for macOS.

Don't you? A few years ago I wanted to figure out how to cross-compile into macOS without ever actually using macOS. Is that possible now?

Many POSIX-y applications will mostly work on macOS, to the point where you might ship in a package manager or something and can probably help with a segfault or two but have never touched a Mac.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by saagarjha » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 6:57 AM UTC

enriquto wrote: post #378

coldtea wrote: post #124

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Is there any automatic way to tell your software apart from malware? Because that's part of what this mechanism tries to provide...

> Is there any automatic way to tell your software apart from malware? There is no universally agreed-upon definition of malware. One man's operating system is another man's malware. For me, an operating system that "calls home" for each new executable you compile is a crystal clear case of malware. In the case of this article, then, the only malware in question is macOS.

Plus like this little thing by a guy named Turing…