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Post by m463 »

easton wrote: post #269
Something1234 wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's in rootless.h?

It appears to be this: https://opensource.apple.com/source/X11/X11-0.40/xc/programs... But that’s for Apple’s X server, so maybe Bash’s is different? But I couldn’t find anything about that in a quick google search.

rootless.h in bash seems to be related to system integrity protection.

Don't know why Apple doesn't just devote 1 engineer to do something like homebrew or macports.

Their ROI just on hardware sales will be very high. Maybe all the unix guys retired or left and there are only round window corner xcode guys left.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by saagarjha »

FabHK wrote: post #250
saagarjha wrote: post #190

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One of the possible warnings you can get literally has "[App name] will damage your computer. You should move it to the trash" in the dialog that shows up. There's a bunch of these, all of them pop up for various GateKeeper/Notarization shortcomings, and none of them actually seem to ever really tell you what the problem was.

1) I searched the article for "damage" and "should move" and didn't find it, so either it was in a screen cap (but I didn't find it there, either) or you meant "literally" in the new sense of "not literally". 2) Apple documentation [1] says (my highlight) "The Apple notary service is an automated system that scans your software for malicious content, checks for code-signing issues, and returns the results to you quic…

I put quotes around it because that is the exact wording it uses: https://www.google.com/search?q=will+damage+your+computer.+y.... You may note that among the apps shown there is LibreOffice and somebody’s issue on GitHub saying they were getting it when creating their Electron app.

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Post by TheKarateKid »

mistersys wrote: post #296
Wohlf wrote: post #222

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You may be surprised how much equivalent laptops from other OEMs have caught up. The Dell XPS is very similar to the Macbook Pro, and Dell supports Ubuntu on it.

I switched to a Dell XPS last year, then sold it on ebay 6 months later and bought a new Mac. WSL is a cool idea, but is still a bolt on solution, I was constantly fighting with it on windows with my unix-oriented workflow, trying to get apps and packages to work correctly. The trackpad feels like it's from 2012. The speakers are very bad. The fans are constantly whirring. It misses on all the details, while also mak…

>The trackpad feels like it's from 2012. The speakers are very bad. The fans are constantly whirring.

It’s sad because the XPS is beautiful, but these same issues plague every Dell, HP, and basically non-Apple laptop. Even the most premium lineup (Envy, XPS, etc.)

How many years and fancy designs will it take before PC OEMs actually develop an excellent trackpad, not use tinfoil speakers, and use silent fans?

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by m463 »

cel1ne wrote: post #295
m463 wrote: post #218

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I remember RMS saying that the GPL was updated because one "obvious" freedom was not so obvious -- you could meet all the requirements of the GPL, without giving the right to RUN the software. GPL3 allows that. And looking backwards, apple shipped software that was GPL2, but would not ship software that was GPL3. As one example, bash and make all quietly stopped getting updates from apple when the GPL3 versions came…

AFAIK, you don't have to ship the source to be GPL-compliant, you just have to provide it upon request.

That's fine, as long as the user rights are passed along.

GPL software can be used for any purpose, you just have to pass along the rights you were provided if you redistribute it.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by drdeadringer »

cwhiz wrote: post #275
manquer wrote: post #154

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You stop using Apple and go to a reasonable OS. You and I are not going to help Apple keep their $2T valuation, we are no longer the market not been one for 5 + years for Apple Apple moved their focus from the professional market who were willing to pay premium for productivity with better UX/Hardware/Software, to people paying just the premium . It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not beca…

>It is a lifestyle brand now, people money because it is Apple, not because there is real value they gain for the higher cost. Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day. This is basically a slippery slope fallacy. Today they're making it marginally hard, what might they do tomorrow?!? There are many reasons to prefer macOS to Linux or Windows. The Apple ecos…

> there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day.

Speaking for myself, every time I've used a Mac for work it's because I had to, being that it was what the employer issued.

Could I have made a stink to be issued something else? Sure, but that is trading problems for problems. Have I used worse OSs? Yes, but that doesn't mean I should be grateful for what I find negative about the Mac OS.

I'm not going to be buying myself a Mac as I'm more productive using a different OS, but it's fine if millions of others do. Just factor in that there's employers with IT decisions out there too.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by kfarr »

saagarjha wrote: post #212
wruza wrote: post #152

I thought that a developer status will autosave me either from malware or from being babysitted, but then [1] happened. No matter how hard I tried to start that binary, OSX didn't allow me to do that. Damn OS which knows better, who do yo think you are? Did you see checksums, site certs, my competence, my willpower? I thought that it must be something with a build process that transmission uses, some signature didn't…

You will note that macOS identified the software as malware 1. because it was actually malware and 2. without notarization.

Yeah I read the forum expecting to find a false positive but then it turns out the build included malware and the OS worked as expected to identify it?

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Post by Gorbzel »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #338
lucb1e wrote: post #2

This makes me wonder how open source is supposed to work on macOS. People seem to become more and more aware of it and even enterprises that insisted on support contracts can see that they can't get around open source completely anymore. Meanwhile Apple is removing the ability for me to have a pet project without paying an Apple tax. If the message were completely transparent, something like "The developer didn't pay…

Apple is an aspiration selling company. >>I also can't imagine $100 is easy to come up with in countries below level 4[1] Someone who is developing for Apple platform in specific, has already spent ~$1000 in devices. Say they couldn't afford to build explicitly for Apple[1], they instead develop for web using a Raspberry Pi and try to leverage smartphone capabilities using PWAs; Alas Apple throws in hurdles there as…

PWAs are terrible, but that debate has nothing on the real gem here:

> ...Then why does Apple advertise its products using Google Ads?

Congratulations, this cracks top 5 oddest Apple hater argument ever posted in this land of many of 'em.

Re: Can't you just right click?

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Post by 40four »

Man, I really love my Macbook pro. Such a nice piece of hardware, and the OS is a joy to use. But the more and more I learn about about their business practices, the more I wonder if they are really in line with my own values, and the more I think about how much benefit I really gain from the OS.

Probably not as much as I used to think.

I'm starting to realize something. I'm almost certain I would be just as happy with a Linux capable laptop, loaded up with Ubuntu 20.04. I'm pretty sure my next laptop purchase will not be another Macbook pro. It will surely save me a ton of money, and I'm just not convinced the walled garden is adding enough to my life to make it worth it.

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Post by slmjkdbtl »

gfxgirl wrote: post #307

Just thought I'd point out this is bad for Unity and Unreal. Tons of student devs making small games putting their apps on itch.io to share, no longer allowed unless they pony up $99 to Apple.

This is my biggest concern too, cross-platform game dev is just so hard to do and you even have to deal with stuff like gatekeeper. I was just thinking about giving up cross-platform entirely now and just do the web which is plain simple

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Post by jolux »

brigandish wrote: post #331
FabHK wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The Apple notary service is an automated system that scans your software for malicious content, checks for code-signing issues, and returns the results to you quickly." https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/notarizing_m...

How many lay persons do you reckon will have read that?

It doesn't really matter because they already explained the justification.
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