How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

Post by LargoLasskhyfv » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 6:23 PM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #113

dathinab wrote: post #80

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It caused harn because it was stupidly implemented not because it's generally bad. But btw. many western countries have a shrinking population since years to a degree where that's an problem. But this also means that the countries which have to take (reasonable) actions include many contribute which often can't afford more reasonable actions :/

What is a non stupid child ban policy you support that doesn't cause harm?

Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 6:51 PM UTC

freeopinion wrote: post #183

Being completely ignorant of the fishing industry, these numbers of vessels seem crazy high. I had no idea. Let's say the Chinese have 15-20,000. What percentage is that of the entire industry? Are there 100,000 distant-water vessels active in the world? Or only 25,000 total? If the Chinese represent 20% of the world industry, but are trying to feed 18% of the world's population, that doesn't seem outrageous. But if…

Post by blaser-waffle » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 7:05 PM UTC

atomi wrote: post #96

mymythisisthis wrote: post #85

In the year 1289, King Philip IV of France was worried about fish. “Each and every watershed of our realm,” he proclaimed, “large and small, yields nothing due to the evil of fishers.” https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/05/medieval... I've already witnessed the collapse of fishing in the oceans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_north...

I'm so bearish on humanity. A future like The Expanse is starting to look optimistic.

Post by ethbro » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 7:46 PM UTC

cltsang wrote: post #32

evancox100 wrote: post #17

Anyone else catch this? First: “The Chinese government says its distant-water fishing fleet, or those vessels that travel far from China’s coast, numbers roughly 2,600, but other research, such as this study by the Overseas Development Institute (ODI), puts this number closer to 17,000”. Several paragraphs later: “More recently, the Chinese government has stopped calling for an expansion of its distant-water fishing…

It can be difficult to orchestrate years and layers of adjusted statistics to tell a consistent story. Cities, provinces, and the central government all have their own agendas and different reasons to lie. They don't necessarily do cross checks before publishing their own data.

Post by dang » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 8:40 PM UTC

neuronic wrote: post #55

geddy wrote: post #23

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What we need is to stop consuming animals and animal products, or we’ll keep having economy destroying pandemics. Not to mention the obvious problem that farming is horrendous for the animals. Animals aren’t some inanimate object.

For most Asians and especially the Chinese, animals are just objects. Doesn't matter if you think about mammals skinned alive in some Chinese markets, turtles having their feet chopped off or Huskys locked into a 1-bedroom apartment for their entire life. Asians mostly do not give a single damn about animal well-being. That's a uniquely Western thing.