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How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

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Re: How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

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Post by Alupis »

evancox100 wrote: post #17

Anyone else catch this? First: “The Chinese government says its distant-water fishing fleet, or those vessels that travel far from China’s coast, numbers roughly 2,600, but other research, such as this study by the Overseas Development Institute (ODI), puts this number closer to 17,000”. Several paragraphs later: “More recently, the Chinese government has stopped calling for an expansion of its distant-water fishing…

Any numbers coming out of the CCP need to be multiplied or divided by 10 to get closer to reality.

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Post by spaetzleesser »

neuronic wrote: post #55
geddy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What we need is to stop consuming animals and animal products, or we’ll keep having economy destroying pandemics. Not to mention the obvious problem that farming is horrendous for the animals. Animals aren’t some inanimate object.

For most Asians and especially the Chinese, animals are just objects. Doesn't matter if you think about mammals skinned alive in some Chinese markets, turtles having their feet chopped off or Huskys locked into a 1-bedroom apartment for their entire life. Asians mostly do not give a single damn about animal well-being. That's a uniquely Western thing.

Go to most farms or slaughterhouses in the West and you will see that Westerners don't give a damn about animals either. The only difference is that we are hiding the cruelty so we can feel good about ourselves.

Re: How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

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Post by throw51319 »

MichaelApproved wrote: post #60
warmcat wrote: post #49

As long as Chinese government exists, there will be no world peace and no sustainable approach to anything. The few people in power in the Chinese government will always incite their masses and cause destruction by pitting us vs them.

This statement can be used to describe so many countries, it’s odd you’re just saying it about the Chinese govt.

They are just the latest and largest ever example of this age old strategy being deployed again. Classic nationalistic power grab.

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Post by philg_jr »

pjc50 wrote: post #81
geddy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What we need is to stop consuming animals and animal products, or we’ll keep having economy destroying pandemics. Not to mention the obvious problem that farming is horrendous for the animals. Animals aren’t some inanimate object.

Fish farming is a disease disaster that can harm wild populations. This gets discussed a lot in relation to Scottish Salmon, for example.

Salmon is general is a bad fish to farm because it consumes more protein than it produces. There are better fish (in terms of sustainability) that can be famred, and proper regulations (which the US has, compared to other countries) exist to help. In general, I don't believe the US is the problem with overfishing or polution problems caused by fish farming, compared to other countries who don't have or want the ability to keep things in check.

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Post by throw51319 »

richthegeek wrote: post #50
hnhg wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is making Mars inhabitable easier than fixing the problems here on Earth?

The same reason writing a program from scratch is more appealing than the pain of refactoring someone else's code.

Ugh my whole job the past few months has been solving problems in other peoples' code, and it's already pretty complicated code. So painful.

Re: How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

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Post by zwaps »

MichaelApproved wrote: post #60
warmcat wrote: post #49

As long as Chinese government exists, there will be no world peace and no sustainable approach to anything. The few people in power in the Chinese government will always incite their masses and cause destruction by pitting us vs them.

This statement can be used to describe so many countries, it’s odd you’re just saying it about the Chinese govt.

China asserts its power to the detriment of neighboring countries in almost every aspect of life. Their disregard for others and for the environment is staggering and on a staggering scale.

There are very few countries who can even come close to that - probably only the US qualifies. Even then, China has twice the CO2 emissions than the US, more than three times the emissions of the entire EU, and more than a magnitude more CO2 emissions than coal dependent countries like Germany. Furthermore, China's CO2 emissions are also higher than any other country in history.

China fishes illegally and under false flags all over the world, using a government sponsored fishing fleet.

This is all because the CCP needs to ensure progress in welfare which would be threatened by shortages in meat or fish. Otherwise, the Chinese citizens would perhaps not continue to accept the repressive regime.

But do we smaller countries accept these transgressions? Fishing the territorial waters of smaller states empty should be considered an act of war - which it would be if it weren't for China's relative power distance compared to local neighbors.

All of this is frankly unacceptable and needs to be called out. Small countries need to band together and present China with a strong opposition. This should and can not depend on the US. We need to learn from history. The increasing imperialism by the CCP should be a warning!

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Post by aww_dang »

magicsmoke wrote: post #89
tidenly wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a uniquely western thing to pontificate about how enlightened we are about animal welfare while simultaneously funding the majority of the global meat industry - maybe. While it's true some Asian countries eat animals "taboo" to eat in "the west", large parts of these industries comes from countries pulled out of the brink of famines just a few generations ago and many young people/adults in the developed parts…

A lot of those animals that became taboo to eat in the West was due to industrialization making pork, beef, and poultry cheaper than other meats and driving them out of the market, and cultural attitudes following afterwards to make them taboo. The "west" ate plenty of strange meats at the dawn of the industrial revolution. Hot dogs sausages often had dog meat in them while they were native to Germany, and you could…

You can still buy horse meat for human consumption in Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rag%C3%B9#:~:text=horse https://stefangourmet.com/2013/02/23/there-is-nothing-wrong-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_meat#Italy

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Post by BurningFrog »

kwanbix wrote: post #78
BurningFrog wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was Chinese government policy for decades. It caused immense human suffering. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/120114/under... Personally, I think people are an asset, not a burden, and the greatest things in the world! That's right, I mean you , dear reader. Straighten that back!

Something doesn't ads up. If we are 50 couples, and we all have 2 kids, when the original parents die we are still 100 people. If 50 couples have 1 kid, wen the original parents die, you have half of the population. If they did that for some many years, how come they kept growing?

One reason is they stopped starving their people to death, so parents lived longer.

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Post by f00zz »

dathinab wrote: post #80
BurningFrog wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was Chinese government policy for decades. It caused immense human suffering. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/120114/under... Personally, I think people are an asset, not a burden, and the greatest things in the world! That's right, I mean you , dear reader. Straighten that back!

It caused harn because it was stupidly implemented not because it's generally bad. But btw. many western countries have a shrinking population since years to a degree where that's an problem. But this also means that the countries which have to take (reasonable) actions include many contribute which often can't afford more reasonable actions :/

There's no population bomb. Let's please lay Malthus to rest already. According to some projections, world population will peak sometime in the 2040s and then start to decline.

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Post by bamboozled »

Is the world just going to have to let China own itself to learn the hard way?

Like, it just seems like a bad news generator and we constantly need to dance around the CCP trying to guide them appropriately with sanctions, and threats and incentives.

I understand depleting the oceans would be catastrophic, but how is this regime ever going to learn? Honest question?

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