So do car accidents on the way to and from those events. It's all fake news meant to scare you.
Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities
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Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities
#52I can foresee that one of the consequences of the pandemic will be a permanent change in the way that society views transmissible diseases. Prior to March, it was okay to gather in large groups and just get sick a few times a year. After the pandemic, I’m not sure people will be okay with that anymore.
I look forward to the opportunity to live in community with other people who value liberty, in spite of the increased risks.
Others are (and should be!) free to live in fear and isolation.
Let’s see how it works out in a few generations.
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#53I can foresee that one of the consequences of the pandemic will be a permanent change in the way that society views transmissible diseases. Prior to March, it was okay to gather in large groups and just get sick a few times a year. After the pandemic, I’m not sure people will be okay with that anymore.
I always find it interesting how people can think completely differently about this topic depending on how they frame it in their mind. If you think about it from the perspective of personal risk, then young people bristle at being told what to do. If you think about it from the perspective of contagion and at risk people who want to be able to participate in society, you would have a different perspective. Hopefully…
A healthcare system that doesn't bankrupt hundreds of thousands of people a year would also be a good start.
It turns out to be very hard to handle health risks politically rather than medically. Most early deaths are caused by cancer and heart disease, and both are preventable. Covid is terrible, but in terms of death toll it's not in the same league as the regular killers.
When it comes to avoidable death, this supposedly enlightened and scientifically educated culture actually operates at Victorian levels of public health. Obesity and poor nutrition are at epidemic levels and there's barely any formal cultural awareness of the political and social problems caused by emotional stressors, personality disorders, and other forms of psychological illness promoted by toxic workplace conditions and both social and mainstream media.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Public transit being another example of close-quarters contact in typically unsanitary conditions. And for those puritans who will inevitably attempt to reduce everything to a moral binary, I am not arguing against public transit. It’s a very good thing in many locations and I have no problem believing it is more ecologically friendly than many other modes of transit.
My impression was this common idea has not yet been found in research though -- do you have any studies to back this up?
I trust reasoning from first principles and mechanisms of action* more than pure observation. Because principles are robust, while patterns are fleeting and don't necessarily generalize across time or space.
* Which are found based from observation and statistics mind you. In this case the mechanics of disease spread in public transportation are very obvious.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> we are all craving a return to normality Not all . I'm not. I'm missing a couple of things, but I'm not looking forward to "normality". Not wasting my life on commuting has made a huge difference in my life. I tend to get several colds per year, even in the summer, which has added up to a moderate benefit. I hope that our increased awareness of disease prevention will be enduring.
> Not all . Look at the rest of my comment. When I said "all" I was clearly talking about people I know, not everbody everywhere. Specifically people that I know. > Not wasting my life on commuting has made a huge difference in my life. That's fair but it's also again quite clearly not what I was talking about. Read what I've actually said: I'm talking about leisure and social activities. Seriously: stop picking rand…
> When I said "all" I was clearly talking about people I know, not everbody everywhere. Specifically people that I know.
That wasn’t clear to me at all. This is an important distinction because tastes of people we socialize with tend to be more similar to ours than not, and our tastes are rarely representative of the general public. Especially when public health decisions are concerned, some tastes happen to be more impactful, so it is inevitable that some section of the population will be disproportionately pissed when their favorite activities are restricted.
Gun or motor vehicle related hobbies, even having a pet have always been subject to restrictions when it comes to ensuring public safety. Turns out having a pandemic now renders new activities with a higher risk profile, well tough luck, we have to put up with it.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Not all . Look at the rest of my comment. When I said "all" I was clearly talking about people I know, not everbody everywhere. Specifically people that I know. > Not wasting my life on commuting has made a huge difference in my life. That's fair but it's also again quite clearly not what I was talking about. Read what I've actually said: I'm talking about leisure and social activities. Seriously: stop picking rand…
> Read what I've actually said: I'm talking about leisure and social activities. My life is already normal with respect to social and leisure activities. We only keep a lil more distance and do more outside, the former being fine, the latter being an improvement.
Well, you're very fortunate.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Not all . Look at the rest of my comment. When I said "all" I was clearly talking about people I know, not everbody everywhere. Specifically people that I know. > Not wasting my life on commuting has made a huge difference in my life. That's fair but it's also again quite clearly not what I was talking about. Read what I've actually said: I'm talking about leisure and social activities. Seriously: stop picking rand…
Seriously: stop picking random out of context fragments out of peoples' comments and building strawmen out of them just for the sake of being disagreeable. Sometimes people are replying for the sake of everyone else reading, rather than just the specific comment to which their words are anchored. This is how conversations work in person, too, where a small fragment of one point can lead to a tangent just based on tha…
> Sometimes people are replying for the sake of everyone else reading, rather than just the specific comment to which their words are anchored.
Then you can start a new thread, or reply to a more directly related comment.
> This is how conversations work in person, too, where a small fragment of one point can lead to a tangent just based on that fragment.
I know, and in the wrong context that can be pretty annoying as well.
Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities
#58Seems like solution is open air stadiums, and minimum seat size. Sun's UV tends to kill germs, and fresh air dilutes them.
We should get a study on how much cramped seating contributes to blood clots. This is definitely an issue on long flights. But probably in some stadiums too.
I went to an NHL arena for a concert. Seats were so cramped, my feet were hurting halfway through. It was torture.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Until it eats that bug or mouse that slid into the domicile in winter, or escapes outside by accident, etc.
And which virus would that be that lives in cats and bugs? And the cat’s too slow to catch a mouse nowadays. But it’s the same situation: most of what you’re vaccinating against is feline specific. The cat’s free to go outside at any time, but nowadays prefers the comforts of being indoors. The only solid argument against my strategy is nosocomial infections from the vet themselves.
Mosquitos, snails, slugs and fleas can absolutely carry worms to your cat. You can carry fleas on your clothing for example if you pet an infected animal on the street.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s harder to isolate than a sports team, but that there is an effect is just common sense.
It doesn't seem hard to isolate; some people drive every day, and others ride transit. Common sense is often wrong, so it's good to interrogate it. (E.g., maybe constant low level exposures lead to stronger immune systems and less loss of life? Common sense tells me it's an effect!)
But lots of other things likely co-vary with use of public transit, the obvious one being income level